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When the road quality, paint, and signage is decent, modern self driving stacks really don't have any problem seeing it and using it. Effort should be focused o

When the road quality, paint, and signage is decent, modern self driving stacks really don't have any problem seeing it and using it. Effort should be focused on improving those so that everyone benefits. If Tesla (or any self driving player, but the Tesla FSD stack drives a million miles/day across the US right now) published a road quality score, home buyers would quickly start paying attention and then home owners would quickly start paying attention. This would push forward the political will to fix the roads, at least in places where low road quality is driven by budgeting problems rather than outright poverty.

bonestamp2 3y ago
> When the road quality, paint, and signage is decent True, but the problem is that they're often not. That said, I'd rather see infrastructure spending on maintaining the roads, paint, and signage, than adding features specifically for autonomous driving (that will also likely be unmaintained and become unreliable over time).
- hanniabu 3y ago
  Better to not design cars that rely on parts of the infrastructure that won't be maintained
  - bonestamp2 3y ago
    Exactly. We should only maintain the things that the people rely on, and build the cars to rely on those same things... at least for now. Once the cars are good enough that people are no longer in control of cars, then we can look at changing that standard to reduce the cost of infrastructure maintenance.
amanaplanacanal 3y ago
Almost nobody wants higher taxes to fix roads. Technical problems are easy compared to political problems. I think we are stuck with what we have.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  Nobody wants to pay to fix roads... until their property values get dinged for having bad roads. That's my point.
- autoexec 3y ago
  > Almost nobody wants higher taxes to fix roads. I think most people would argue that the taxes they're paying now should cover it and if that's not enough we could try things like diverting tax money from waste, eliminating earmarks, or maybe even start forcing corporations and billionaires to pay their fair share. People want nice roads and are willing to pay taxes for it, but the burden shouldn't fall entirely on the shrinking middle class.

bonestamp2 3y ago

> When the road quality, paint, and signage is decent True, but the problem is that they're often not. That said, I'd rather see infrastructure spending on maintaining the roads, paint, and signage, than adding features specifically for autonomous driving (that will also likely be unmaintained and become unreliable over time).

hanniabu 3y ago
Better to not design cars that rely on parts of the infrastructure that won't be maintained
- bonestamp2 3y ago
  Exactly. We should only maintain the things that the people rely on, and build the cars to rely on those same things... at least for now. Once the cars are good enough that people are no longer in control of cars, then we can look at changing that standard to reduce the cost of infrastructure maintenance.

amanaplanacanal 3y ago

Almost nobody wants higher taxes to fix roads. Technical problems are easy compared to political problems. I think we are stuck with what we have.

jjoonathan 3y ago
Nobody wants to pay to fix roads... until their property values get dinged for having bad roads. That's my point.
autoexec 3y ago
> Almost nobody wants higher taxes to fix roads. I think most people would argue that the taxes they're paying now should cover it and if that's not enough we could try things like diverting tax money from waste, eliminating earmarks, or maybe even start forcing corporations and billionaires to pay their fair share. People want nice roads and are willing to pay taxes for it, but the burden shouldn't fall entirely on the shrinking middle class.