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Or maybe young people have new values than we do and we should let them do their thing. Trust they will figure out, since they are not any less clever than we a

Or maybe young people have new values than we do and we should let them do their thing. Trust they will figure out, since they are not any less clever than we are.

jedberg 3y ago
They may be clever but they lack wisdom of experience.
- jonas21 3y ago
  Funny, that's what the older folks said about us when we were young.
  - jedberg 3y ago
    And they were right then too. We also lacked wisdom.
    - flangola7 3y ago
      Buy they weren't right. There's a reason boomers fall for obvious scams and fake Facebook posts.
      - jedberg 3y ago
        Because they are elderly and their minds don't work as well. When we were kids our grandparents were being scammed via letters and phone calls. It has nothing to do with wisdom. Combining youthful new ideas tempered by the wisdom of experience is the ideal situation. The young person needs to accept that the older person may have already tried what they are suggesting, and the older person needs to accept that the younger person is capable of coming up with new interesting ideas that may be different than what their experience was.
commandlinefan 3y ago
Not if it affects me.
zaroth 3y ago
Or maybe they lack either the wisdom or experience to understand the extraordinary danger that comes with ceding privacy and autonomy to an unaccountable government.
- nzrf 3y ago
  Man this statement resonates with me. I’ve found some folks view transferring power to benign government seems like good idea, but I think they fail to realize getting that getting that power back won’t be so straightforward if or when it doesn’t work out that government is no longer working for them or supporting their ideals, but the government is instead ruling them. We have had to pretty good lately tbh in the US compared to some though honestly the could be questionable also depending on the values one has.
  - smeej 3y ago
    They also seem not to notice that government is never benign. If the thought of your political adversary having a specific power makes you shake in your boots, it's not safe for your own side to have it either.
thsksbd 3y ago
As long its not mandatory, I am 100% this. After all, it'd be great to have society that incarcerates more safety-obsessed white progressives
transducers 3y ago
Clever is not sufficient. They also need to be informed. From a practical point of view, they will be sleeping in that bed far longer than the older generations, so maybe “we should let them do their thing” and hope and pray that we won’t have to spend too much time in that bed. But then history and near-history call to remind that many instances of future generations almost cursing the lack of forethought of their predecessors when affecting fundamental changes. Those generations too have a claim in this sort of radical societal changes. Would a future generation trapped in a full-blown 1984 society think it “clever” of their grandparents that they have now put an end to “domestic violence”? The overall red flag for me of this sort of remedy —- total surveillance to insure 100% compliance — are their absolute guarantees and promises of immediate results. Let’s take domestic violence as an example. Beyond pathological cases, in the main this is an area where we can aim for generational advancements in anger management, positive channeling of psychological stresses, and addressing other socio-economic conditions that contribute to engender this type of behavior. We won’t see immediate results but eradication seems in reach within a few generations. In the interim, there remains the possibility of social intervention via various legal and institutional channels.
- mindslight 3y ago
  > red flag for me of this sort of remedy ... are their absolute guarantees and promises of immediate results This doesn't even cover the half of it. The problem with adding more central authority to any situation is the increased opportunities for confused deputies. In other words, abusers adapt their behavior - both conforming their behavior to the system's rules of what is considered acceptable, and leveraging those rules (and thus the power of the central authority) against their victim.

Or maybe young people have new values than we do and we should let them do their thing. Trust they will figure out, since they are not any less clever than we are.

jedberg 3y ago

They may be clever but they lack wisdom of experience.

jonas21 3y ago
Funny, that's what the older folks said about us when we were young.
- jedberg 3y ago
  And they were right then too. We also lacked wisdom.
  - flangola7 3y ago
    Buy they weren't right. There's a reason boomers fall for obvious scams and fake Facebook posts.
    - jedberg 3y ago
      Because they are elderly and their minds don't work as well. When we were kids our grandparents were being scammed via letters and phone calls. It has nothing to do with wisdom. Combining youthful new ideas tempered by the wisdom of experience is the ideal situation. The young person needs to accept that the older person may have already tried what they are suggesting, and the older person needs to accept that the younger person is capable of coming up with new interesting ideas that may be different than what their experience was.

commandlinefan 3y ago

Not if it affects me.

zaroth 3y ago

Or maybe they lack either the wisdom or experience to understand the extraordinary danger that comes with ceding privacy and autonomy to an unaccountable government.

nzrf 3y ago
Man this statement resonates with me. I’ve found some folks view transferring power to benign government seems like good idea, but I think they fail to realize getting that getting that power back won’t be so straightforward if or when it doesn’t work out that government is no longer working for them or supporting their ideals, but the government is instead ruling them. We have had to pretty good lately tbh in the US compared to some though honestly the could be questionable also depending on the values one has.
- smeej 3y ago
  They also seem not to notice that government is never benign. If the thought of your political adversary having a specific power makes you shake in your boots, it's not safe for your own side to have it either.

thsksbd 3y ago

As long its not mandatory, I am 100% this. After all, it'd be great to have society that incarcerates more safety-obsessed white progressives

transducers 3y ago

Clever is not sufficient. They also need to be informed. From a practical point of view, they will be sleeping in that bed far longer than the older generations, so maybe “we should let them do their thing” and hope and pray that we won’t have to spend too much time in that bed. But then history and near-history call to remind that many instances of future generations almost cursing the lack of forethought of their predecessors when affecting fundamental changes. Those generations too have a claim in this sort of radical societal changes. Would a future generation trapped in a full-blown 1984 society think it “clever” of their grandparents that they have now put an end to “domestic violence”? The overall red flag for me of this sort of remedy —- total surveillance to insure 100% compliance — are their absolute guarantees and promises of immediate results. Let’s take domestic violence as an example. Beyond pathological cases, in the main this is an area where we can aim for generational advancements in anger management, positive channeling of psychological stresses, and addressing other socio-economic conditions that contribute to engender this type of behavior. We won’t see immediate results but eradication seems in reach within a few generations. In the interim, there remains the possibility of social intervention via various legal and institutional channels.

mindslight 3y ago
> red flag for me of this sort of remedy ... are their absolute guarantees and promises of immediate results This doesn't even cover the half of it. The problem with adding more central authority to any situation is the increased opportunities for confused deputies. In other words, abusers adapt their behavior - both conforming their behavior to the system's rules of what is considered acceptable, and leveraging those rules (and thus the power of the central authority) against their victim.