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All my friends who own teslas all say they wouldn't buy another one. Tesla's goose is cooked imo once other charging networks come online.

JohnFen 3y ago
I wouldn't buy a Tesla regardless of the price point. Mostly because of their data connection to the mothership, but also because of the stories I've heard from the people I know who own Teslas.
- AtlasBarfed 3y ago
  So you're only going to drive cars from pre OnStar era?
- djanogo 3y ago
  I don’t know if you know, ALL Toyotas sold in last 3 years do the same.
foxyv 3y ago
My next vehicle will probably be a Toyota Sienna if I even bother to get another personal vehicle. Tempted to just go carless and rent when I need one. May change my tune if I have to go back to commuting any time soon.
toomuchtodo 3y ago
> All my friends who own teslas all say they wouldn't buy another one. I don't believe this is of material concern. Tesla is able to undercut every other automaker due to their robust margins and vertical efficiencies, and some legacy automakers are unlikely to survive the transition to EVs due to Tesla's lead and ramp rate. There is a buyer for every unit built, and the global auto market is ~66 million units/year. If there is softness in a market, they can quickly reallocate units to other markets. It is unlikely other fast DC charging networks won't come online at scale, because there is no way to make them profitable. Building and supporting them is a marketing cost to sell EVs. https://electrek.co/2023/05/25/tesla-model-y-is-now-the-worlds-best-selling-car-first-ev-to-do-so/ https://electrek.co/2023/05/25/tesla-model-y-is-now-the-worl... https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/22/tesla-just-passed-4-million-cumulative-sales-charts/ https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/22/tesla-just-passed-4-mil... https://evannex.com/blogs/news/the-real-threat-to-legacy-auto-tesla-s-profit-margins https://evannex.com/blogs/news/the-real-threat-to-legacy-aut... https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-confirms-all-tesla-model-3-vehicles-qualify-7500-tax-credit-2023-06-06/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-con... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27906795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27906795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36106271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36106271
bdcravens 3y ago
I actually cancelled a Model 3 order and went with a Kia EV6 instead, but doesn't Tesla have the strongest brand loyalty? https://insideevs.com/news/668470/tesla-best-brand-loyalty-of-any-automaker/ https://insideevs.com/news/668470/tesla-best-brand-loyalty-o...
- dzhiurgis 3y ago
  And how does it feel to pay more for less?
  - bdcravens 3y ago
    At the time, the EV6 was $4500 less. The EV6 has some advantages over the Model 3: USS, V2L, CarPlay, etc. The Model 3 of course has advantages of its own, but the Model 3 isn't the slam dunk leader that those emotionally invested in the vehicle suggest.
    - dzhiurgis 3y ago
      Model Y was about $6k USD cheaper here over Ioniq5/Ev6, but: * has remote control app * phone as a key * autopilot * heated steering wheel & seats * power liftgate * panoramic sunroof (which turned out a huge con) For some reason hyundai/kia doesn’t have app nor it’s version of autopilot here. V2L is very nice feature, but I realise I’d use it maayyybe once a year. China made Teslas still have USS. Also turns out I didn’t need CarPlay - Teslas maps are good enough.
      - bdcravens 3y ago
        Now, or in September 2022? At the time I bought my EV6, the Model Y had an MSRP of $66k. My Model 3 I cancelled had an invoiced price of $56k. My EV6 was around $52k as I recall. I'm not sure where you're getting that list from. (Perhaps you are looking at the "Light" trim, not the "Wind" trim) Kia has an app that allows me remote access (perhaps you're expecting a dedicated app; the Kia app is used for multiple models). It has a full suite of assisted driving, as most manufacturers do, that Tesla includes in "autopilot" (lane keep, adaptive cruise control, autobraking, etc). The seats are heated and cooled, and the steering wheel is heated. It has a power liftgate. The EV6 is available with a sunroof, but it has less headroom, so I opted for the version without. There's features I wish the EV6 had, some that Tesla has, some that other vehicles like my wife's ID.4 has.
firecall 3y ago
All my friends with Teslas say they love theirs! They are everywhere, here in South Australia. Model 3 and now Model Y are the number selling car. Not sure of overall or in class, but either way, they sell very well. And it isn’t down to the charging network as such. Tesla’s are just the best value prop and offer a very cool modern experience. All Teslas owners I know have garages and have installed charges. Teslas are town and school run cars. People hate service stations, garages and car dealers. Teslas mean they almost never have to deal with those places again!
DoesntMatter22 3y ago
Tesla is in huge trouble. Must be why they have the best selling vehicle in the world

JohnFen 3y ago

I wouldn't buy a Tesla regardless of the price point. Mostly because of their data connection to the mothership, but also because of the stories I've heard from the people I know who own Teslas.

AtlasBarfed 3y ago
So you're only going to drive cars from pre OnStar era?
djanogo 3y ago
I don’t know if you know, ALL Toyotas sold in last 3 years do the same.

foxyv 3y ago

My next vehicle will probably be a Toyota Sienna if I even bother to get another personal vehicle. Tempted to just go carless and rent when I need one. May change my tune if I have to go back to commuting any time soon.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

> All my friends who own teslas all say they wouldn't buy another one. I don't believe this is of material concern. Tesla is able to undercut every other automaker due to their robust margins and vertical efficiencies, and some legacy automakers are unlikely to survive the transition to EVs due to Tesla's lead and ramp rate. There is a buyer for every unit built, and the global auto market is ~66 million units/year. If there is softness in a market, they can quickly reallocate units to other markets. It is unlikely other fast DC charging networks won't come online at scale, because there is no way to make them profitable. Building and supporting them is a marketing cost to sell EVs. https://electrek.co/2023/05/25/tesla-model-y-is-now-the-worlds-best-selling-car-first-ev-to-do-so/ https://electrek.co/2023/05/25/tesla-model-y-is-now-the-worl... https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/22/tesla-just-passed-4-million-cumulative-sales-charts/ https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/22/tesla-just-passed-4-mil... https://evannex.com/blogs/news/the-real-threat-to-legacy-auto-tesla-s-profit-margins https://evannex.com/blogs/news/the-real-threat-to-legacy-aut... https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-confirms-all-tesla-model-3-vehicles-qualify-7500-tax-credit-2023-06-06/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-con... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27906795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27906795 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36106271 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36106271

bdcravens 3y ago

I actually cancelled a Model 3 order and went with a Kia EV6 instead, but doesn't Tesla have the strongest brand loyalty? https://insideevs.com/news/668470/tesla-best-brand-loyalty-of-any-automaker/ https://insideevs.com/news/668470/tesla-best-brand-loyalty-o...

dzhiurgis 3y ago
And how does it feel to pay more for less?
- bdcravens 3y ago
  At the time, the EV6 was $4500 less. The EV6 has some advantages over the Model 3: USS, V2L, CarPlay, etc. The Model 3 of course has advantages of its own, but the Model 3 isn't the slam dunk leader that those emotionally invested in the vehicle suggest.
  - dzhiurgis 3y ago
    Model Y was about $6k USD cheaper here over Ioniq5/Ev6, but: * has remote control app * phone as a key * autopilot * heated steering wheel & seats * power liftgate * panoramic sunroof (which turned out a huge con) For some reason hyundai/kia doesn’t have app nor it’s version of autopilot here. V2L is very nice feature, but I realise I’d use it maayyybe once a year. China made Teslas still have USS. Also turns out I didn’t need CarPlay - Teslas maps are good enough.
    - bdcravens 3y ago
      Now, or in September 2022? At the time I bought my EV6, the Model Y had an MSRP of $66k. My Model 3 I cancelled had an invoiced price of $56k. My EV6 was around $52k as I recall. I'm not sure where you're getting that list from. (Perhaps you are looking at the "Light" trim, not the "Wind" trim) Kia has an app that allows me remote access (perhaps you're expecting a dedicated app; the Kia app is used for multiple models). It has a full suite of assisted driving, as most manufacturers do, that Tesla includes in "autopilot" (lane keep, adaptive cruise control, autobraking, etc). The seats are heated and cooled, and the steering wheel is heated. It has a power liftgate. The EV6 is available with a sunroof, but it has less headroom, so I opted for the version without. There's features I wish the EV6 had, some that Tesla has, some that other vehicles like my wife's ID.4 has.

firecall 3y ago

All my friends with Teslas say they love theirs! They are everywhere, here in South Australia. Model 3 and now Model Y are the number selling car. Not sure of overall or in class, but either way, they sell very well. And it isn’t down to the charging network as such. Tesla’s are just the best value prop and offer a very cool modern experience. All Teslas owners I know have garages and have installed charges. Teslas are town and school run cars. People hate service stations, garages and car dealers. Teslas mean they almost never have to deal with those places again!

DoesntMatter22 3y ago

Tesla is in huge trouble. Must be why they have the best selling vehicle in the world