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Microsoft Office has always been sub-par on Mac, and I haven't worked at a company that uses it for collaboration for over a decade. (Sure, there's the occasio

by hedora 3y ago

Microsoft Office has always been sub-par on Mac, and I haven't worked at a company that uses it for collaboration for over a decade. (Sure, there's the occasional person that actually needs VB macros under Excel, or prefers powerpoint, but there's no reason for me to run it.) I know you can use them for media production. Looking around, it sounds like they still own the low-end with iMovie, but it gets questionable as hardware requirements increase. I guess it's a viable platform for that. I know a lot of CAD software is missing MacOS ports, so they seem to have lost that market. Anyway, I'll continue to think of my laptop as a dumb terminal with a good hypervisor bolted on the side.

scarface_74 3y ago
I know of quite a large company - the second largest employer in the US that have thousands of Macs and come with Office. Do you really think that no one has been using Office for Mac and Microsoft has been selling it for 35 years?
- hedora 3y ago
  It is hard to switch away from mainframes too, but I haven’t heard of a company that was founded in the last ten years that is a Microsoft Office shop.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Well, maybe your anecdata may be in conflict with reported revenue numbers? Google Office is not taking the world by storm. https://www.computerworld.com/article/3637079/as-google-moves-to-reshape-workspace-barriers-to-business-adoption-remain.amp.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3637079/as-google-move... No it’s also not the year of the Linux desktop either
    - hedora 3y ago
      Most places I have worked don’t use office suites. Instead of formatting stuff for 8.5x11” PDFs or printouts, things go into wikis/gdocs/etc, markdown files in git, python or splunk dashboards or whatever instead of excel; stuff is shared on slack, not office/google drive, etc, etc. Sure, you can get access to an office suite at these companies, but people certainly raise an eyebrow when emailed a docx or told to click this office online link to run word in their browser. In the link you pasted, the studies are limiting the market in strange ways. Like what is a “workstream collaboration tool” (teams, and whatever google workspaces is. I’ve never used either, despite using google docs periodically). So, if the question is “which wordperfect clone is winning”, then word is a plausible answer. If the question is “what percentage of all documents are created in each tool”, there’s no way office (excluding outlook) + gdocs + iwork sum up to a majority at most companies.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        > Most places I have worked don’t use office suites. Instead of formatting stuff for 8.5x11” PDFs or printouts, things go into wikis/gdocs/etc, markdown files in git, python or splunk dashboards or whatever instead of excel; stuff is shared on slack, not office/google drive, etc, etc. Yes because most of corporate America is doing work in Markdown. Have you ever thought that your workplace may not be representative of the wider world? > the question is “what percentage of all documents are created in each tool”, there’s no way office (excluding outlook) + gdocs + iwork sum up to a majority at most companies. I’m sure you have a citation to back that up?

by hedora 3y ago

scarface_74 3y ago

I know of quite a large company - the second largest employer in the US that have thousands of Macs and come with Office. Do you really think that no one has been using Office for Mac and Microsoft has been selling it for 35 years?

hedora 3y ago
It is hard to switch away from mainframes too, but I haven’t heard of a company that was founded in the last ten years that is a Microsoft Office shop.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Well, maybe your anecdata may be in conflict with reported revenue numbers? Google Office is not taking the world by storm. https://www.computerworld.com/article/3637079/as-google-moves-to-reshape-workspace-barriers-to-business-adoption-remain.amp.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3637079/as-google-move... No it’s also not the year of the Linux desktop either
  - hedora 3y ago
    Most places I have worked don’t use office suites. Instead of formatting stuff for 8.5x11” PDFs or printouts, things go into wikis/gdocs/etc, markdown files in git, python or splunk dashboards or whatever instead of excel; stuff is shared on slack, not office/google drive, etc, etc. Sure, you can get access to an office suite at these companies, but people certainly raise an eyebrow when emailed a docx or told to click this office online link to run word in their browser. In the link you pasted, the studies are limiting the market in strange ways. Like what is a “workstream collaboration tool” (teams, and whatever google workspaces is. I’ve never used either, despite using google docs periodically). So, if the question is “which wordperfect clone is winning”, then word is a plausible answer. If the question is “what percentage of all documents are created in each tool”, there’s no way office (excluding outlook) + gdocs + iwork sum up to a majority at most companies.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      > Most places I have worked don’t use office suites. Instead of formatting stuff for 8.5x11” PDFs or printouts, things go into wikis/gdocs/etc, markdown files in git, python or splunk dashboards or whatever instead of excel; stuff is shared on slack, not office/google drive, etc, etc. Yes because most of corporate America is doing work in Markdown. Have you ever thought that your workplace may not be representative of the wider world? > the question is “what percentage of all documents are created in each tool”, there’s no way office (excluding outlook) + gdocs + iwork sum up to a majority at most companies. I’m sure you have a citation to back that up?