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Australia has fair dealing and rule of law. From a quick Google here is a list of some of the consumer protections afforded by their consumer protection organiz

Australia has fair dealing and rule of law. From a quick Google here is a list of some of the consumer protections afforded by their consumer protection organization: https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/buying-products-and-services/consumer-rights-and-guarantees https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/buying-products-and-servic... Economies that lack those types of protections haven't developed as quickly or as to the same level of economies that have them. This is true globally and throughout history. What a first world country is from Wikipedia: > the definition has instead largely shifted to any country with little political risk and a well-functioning democracy, rule of law, capitalist economy, economic stability, and high standard of living. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World Perhaps reach for a book instead of pulling out the tired xenophobia canard.

imiric 3y ago
Why reach for a book when you can teach me a lesson right here? :) My point is that these sales tactics happen in any country, regardless if it's developing or not. The difference is in the variety and scale. If businesses aren't allowed by law to do a certain thing in order to increase revenue, they will resort to other scams that the law doesn't explicitly forbid. Or they will lobby to change the laws to whatever suits them best. The scams in developed countries are much more sophisticated and nefarious, simply because they need to tip toe around the law. In this case Dell messed up by doing this in Australia, but this is surely just the tip of the iceberg of their business practices.
practice9 3y ago
> consumer protections afforded by their consumer protection organization That is actually true of many so called "developing" countries too. The consumer protection organizations will accept your request and "investigate". The result of their investigation can amount to doing nothing (canned response) or recommending you go to court. You can win in the court, eventually. Spending time & money on what should be an automatic process. > What the ACCC does > We educate businesses and consumers about their rights and obligations under the consumer guarantees. > If a business misleads consumers about their consumer guarantee rights, we can investigate. We may take some form of compliance or enforcement action. > What the ACCC can't do > We don’t provide legal advice about what consumers are entitled to. > We don't provide legal advice on what businesses need to do in a particular situation. > We don’t resolve individual disputes about whether the consumer guarantees have been met or the remedy. This is the beauty of bureaucracy in "developed" countries - they may or may not help you. And you will not know how effective they are until you actually need help. Kafkaesque rules and the multitude of agencies could be masking the potemkin village underneath. I've heard some good things about the customer protection in the EU, but I don't think it's even generalizable over all of the EU member states.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Here is the property rights index: https://www.internationalpropertyrightsindex.org/ https://www.internationalpropertyrightsindex.org/ Scroll to the list, sort by highest score. Why are all the first world nations at the top? Here is the corruption perceptions index (pdf): https://images.transparencycdn.org/images/Report_CPI2022_English.pdf https://images.transparencycdn.org/images/Report_CPI2022_Eng... Why are the most corrupt nations considered third world?

imiric 3y ago

Why reach for a book when you can teach me a lesson right here? :) My point is that these sales tactics happen in any country, regardless if it's developing or not. The difference is in the variety and scale. If businesses aren't allowed by law to do a certain thing in order to increase revenue, they will resort to other scams that the law doesn't explicitly forbid. Or they will lobby to change the laws to whatever suits them best. The scams in developed countries are much more sophisticated and nefarious, simply because they need to tip toe around the law. In this case Dell messed up by doing this in Australia, but this is surely just the tip of the iceberg of their business practices.

practice9 3y ago

> consumer protections afforded by their consumer protection organization That is actually true of many so called "developing" countries too. The consumer protection organizations will accept your request and "investigate". The result of their investigation can amount to doing nothing (canned response) or recommending you go to court. You can win in the court, eventually. Spending time & money on what should be an automatic process. > What the ACCC does > We educate businesses and consumers about their rights and obligations under the consumer guarantees. > If a business misleads consumers about their consumer guarantee rights, we can investigate. We may take some form of compliance or enforcement action. > What the ACCC can't do > We don’t provide legal advice about what consumers are entitled to. > We don't provide legal advice on what businesses need to do in a particular situation. > We don’t resolve individual disputes about whether the consumer guarantees have been met or the remedy. This is the beauty of bureaucracy in "developed" countries - they may or may not help you. And you will not know how effective they are until you actually need help. Kafkaesque rules and the multitude of agencies could be masking the potemkin village underneath. I've heard some good things about the customer protection in the EU, but I don't think it's even generalizable over all of the EU member states.

willcipriano 3y ago
Here is the property rights index: https://www.internationalpropertyrightsindex.org/ https://www.internationalpropertyrightsindex.org/ Scroll to the list, sort by highest score. Why are all the first world nations at the top? Here is the corruption perceptions index (pdf): https://images.transparencycdn.org/images/Report_CPI2022_English.pdf https://images.transparencycdn.org/images/Report_CPI2022_Eng... Why are the most corrupt nations considered third world?