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“Don’t do crimes” is presumably already part of the training? This episode will stand forever as evidence that, regardless of whether you’re doing anything wron

“Don’t do crimes” is presumably already part of the training? This episode will stand forever as evidence that, regardless of whether you’re doing anything wrong, writing down an sentence that nakedly says your are is a Bad Idea. If you’re in the wrong, defending yourself just got a lot harder. If you weren’t actually in the wrong now you’ve created something you’ll have to defend yourself from.

atoav 3y ago
The question is whether the problem for your higher ups is you doing crimes or you getting caught doing crimes. Just as in safety culture, train all you will — if the lived culture is "rules are for losers" and people who follow them have it harder guess what is going to happen?
- anlaw 3y ago
  Higher ups? The primate AI is hallucinating after decades of prompt injections. What obligation do we have to coddle “higher ups” figurative identity?
  - atoav 3y ago
    You are aware that my text is drenching with sarcasm aren't you?
- pjc50 3y ago
  Ultimately business systems operate in a purely consequentialist matter: getting caught only matters because the punishment is bad for the stock price, and avoiding doing crimes is the only 99% reliable procedure for avoiding getting caught. There is a complicated limbo with things like LIBOR, where practice drifted into quietly rigging the number, first in phone calls and then chat channels, and everybody involved kind of forgot it might not be percieved as legal once the outside world realised what happened. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/libor-scandal.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/libor-scandal.asp
- wonderwonder 3y ago
  Agreed. See Wells Fargo for a real life example although in that case the higher ups made them do crime and then just fired them to scape goat. Nice thing is that once you are in the club like the banks the worst that happens is a small fine. Crypto hasn't donated to enough politicians yet so they are actually targeted for real punishment at the behest of the enforcement arm of the big banks, the SEC

atoav 3y ago

The question is whether the problem for your higher ups is you doing crimes or you getting caught doing crimes. Just as in safety culture, train all you will — if the lived culture is "rules are for losers" and people who follow them have it harder guess what is going to happen?

anlaw 3y ago
Higher ups? The primate AI is hallucinating after decades of prompt injections. What obligation do we have to coddle “higher ups” figurative identity?
- atoav 3y ago
  You are aware that my text is drenching with sarcasm aren't you?
pjc50 3y ago
Ultimately business systems operate in a purely consequentialist matter: getting caught only matters because the punishment is bad for the stock price, and avoiding doing crimes is the only 99% reliable procedure for avoiding getting caught. There is a complicated limbo with things like LIBOR, where practice drifted into quietly rigging the number, first in phone calls and then chat channels, and everybody involved kind of forgot it might not be percieved as legal once the outside world realised what happened. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/libor-scandal.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/libor-scandal.asp
wonderwonder 3y ago
Agreed. See Wells Fargo for a real life example although in that case the higher ups made them do crime and then just fired them to scape goat. Nice thing is that once you are in the club like the banks the worst that happens is a small fine. Crypto hasn't donated to enough politicians yet so they are actually targeted for real punishment at the behest of the enforcement arm of the big banks, the SEC