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At the time of Vietnam there was some sort of competition of different systems, now it‘s just plain old far right tyranny vs. the democratic world. The Domino

by quonn 3y ago

At the time of Vietnam there was some sort of competition of different systems, now it‘s just plain old far right tyranny vs. the democratic world. The Domino theory was more about the alternative perhaps proving itself viable so it was to be stopped in time. But Russia is not about to prove anything, instead Putin has stated over and over again that they want to bring the former Soviet countries under their rule.

youagain 3y ago
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quonnsubhuman 3y ago
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- rocket_surgeron 3y ago
  Did you really create a new account just to post this comment? Sad.
timaios 3y ago
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- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Russia is fighting for its existence against vastly superior enemy. If Ukraine is a vastly superior enemy to Russia then my god what have they been doing with all of that money for the military?. And Russia is not fighting for its existence, if they withdrew from Ukraine no one would invade. > Russia wanted to avoid this war, even though not realizing fully how much superior the enemy was. Everyone who tells you otherwise fell victim to western propaganda, or is a propagandist himself. It’s quite clear they didn’t want to avoid this war cause the easiest way to do that would be to not goto war and withdraw from Ukraine. But they don’t they insist on staying and escalating there terrible war crimes into new uncharted territory.
  - timaios 3y ago
    As I said, and as also your reply shows, you are closer to 1984 than Russia..
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > As I said, and as also your reply shows, you are closer to 1984 than Russia.. Nice work refuting all those points go scurry back into the shadows like the rest of the Russian propagandists when they get challenged.
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- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Russia is fighting for its existence against vastly superior enemy. No, the wars it has started since 2008 with, e.g., Georgia, Moldova, and and Ukraine are (1) not for the survival of Russia, and (2) not, in any case, against an enemy that was, in any material sense, vastly superior at the time Russia started each respective war. They might be for the survival of Putin’s regime, but that’s... not the same thing as Russia. > Russia wanted to avoid this war, Not bad enough not to start it without anything vaguely like an actual or imminent attack that it was responding to or defending against.
  - timaios 3y ago
    You were repeatedly warned about not expanding NATO to the west, violating promises made to Gorbachev. And you never really ceased to speak of Russia as an "enemy" whereas the Russian government insisted until february 2022 to call you "our western partners". You are disingeneous and hypocrite, or ignorant.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > You were repeatedly warned about not expanding NATO to the west, violating promises made to Gorbachev. No such binding, heritable-by-a-successor-state commitment was ever made, as the Government of Russia, led by people who understand the basic mechanics and norms of international law even if they do not rigorously adhere to them, well knows. And even if it had been, it would have been repudiated by Russia efforts to join NATO early in Putin’s time as leader. > And you never really ceased to speak of Russia as an "enemy" whereas the Russian government insisted until february 2022 to call you "our western partners". The US and NATO called Russia a partner (not just in a general sense, but as a member with others of the NATO Partnership for Peace and with a special relationship through the NATO-Russia Council) up until Russia launched the present unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine in 2014, which was not even the first in the series of similar wars launched against its neighbors.

by quonn 3y ago

youagain 3y ago

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rocket_surgeron 3y ago
Did you really create a new account just to post this comment? Sad.

timaios 3y ago

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_kbh_ 3y ago
> Russia is fighting for its existence against vastly superior enemy. If Ukraine is a vastly superior enemy to Russia then my god what have they been doing with all of that money for the military?. And Russia is not fighting for its existence, if they withdrew from Ukraine no one would invade. > Russia wanted to avoid this war, even though not realizing fully how much superior the enemy was. Everyone who tells you otherwise fell victim to western propaganda, or is a propagandist himself. It’s quite clear they didn’t want to avoid this war cause the easiest way to do that would be to not goto war and withdraw from Ukraine. But they don’t they insist on staying and escalating there terrible war crimes into new uncharted territory.
- timaios 3y ago
  As I said, and as also your reply shows, you are closer to 1984 than Russia..
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > As I said, and as also your reply shows, you are closer to 1984 than Russia.. Nice work refuting all those points go scurry back into the shadows like the rest of the Russian propagandists when they get challenged.
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dragonwriter 3y ago
> Russia is fighting for its existence against vastly superior enemy. No, the wars it has started since 2008 with, e.g., Georgia, Moldova, and and Ukraine are (1) not for the survival of Russia, and (2) not, in any case, against an enemy that was, in any material sense, vastly superior at the time Russia started each respective war. They might be for the survival of Putin’s regime, but that’s... not the same thing as Russia. > Russia wanted to avoid this war, Not bad enough not to start it without anything vaguely like an actual or imminent attack that it was responding to or defending against.
- timaios 3y ago
  You were repeatedly warned about not expanding NATO to the west, violating promises made to Gorbachev. And you never really ceased to speak of Russia as an "enemy" whereas the Russian government insisted until february 2022 to call you "our western partners". You are disingeneous and hypocrite, or ignorant.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > You were repeatedly warned about not expanding NATO to the west, violating promises made to Gorbachev. No such binding, heritable-by-a-successor-state commitment was ever made, as the Government of Russia, led by people who understand the basic mechanics and norms of international law even if they do not rigorously adhere to them, well knows. And even if it had been, it would have been repudiated by Russia efforts to join NATO early in Putin’s time as leader. > And you never really ceased to speak of Russia as an "enemy" whereas the Russian government insisted until february 2022 to call you "our western partners". The US and NATO called Russia a partner (not just in a general sense, but as a member with others of the NATO Partnership for Peace and with a special relationship through the NATO-Russia Council) up until Russia launched the present unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine in 2014, which was not even the first in the series of similar wars launched against its neighbors.