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"normally functioning" brains see things that are not actually there ALL the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

"normally functioning" brains see things that are not actually there ALL the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion Most UFO reports fall into the Optical Illusion category rather than extreme schizophrenia.

Loquebantur 3y ago
Optical illusions are not at all the same thing as visual hallucinations. Your allegation about UFO reports is accordingly simply incorrect.
- gitfan86 3y ago
  Right, so your point about people not having hallucinations frequently is valid. But most people do see optical illusions. So it seems strange that you have jumped to the conclusion that these must be real UFOs since most people do not hallucinate.
  - Loquebantur 3y ago
    I did not jump to that conclusion, you are putting words in my mouth. The whistleblower reports of the existence of a research program that he was briefed about. He testifies this program was stuying non-human technology, among that functioning craft, aka "flying saucers". The determination of it being non-human in orgin was due to extensive material analysis, evident morphology and working characteistics of those devices.
    - gitfan86 3y ago
      "Someone claims that someone else told him material exists that is from aliens."
      - xpe 3y ago
        > "Someone claims that someone else told him material exists that is from aliens." I think I take your point: he doesn't have firsthand experience seeing the evidence. That said, the quote "Someone claims that someone else told him material exists that is from aliens." doesn't by itself convey the significance of these other people being high ranking intelligence officials. A trained intelligence professional has much more analytical skill and credibility than a person randomly sampled from the U.S. population. > The Debrief reported that Grusch’s knowledge of non-human materials and vehicles was based on “extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials”. He said he had reported the existence of a UFO material “recovery program” to Congress. > “Grusch said that the craft recovery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity and that he knows the specific individuals, current and former, who are involved,” the Debrief reported. > In the Debrief article, Grusch does not say he has personally seen alien vehicles, nor does he say where they may be being stored. He asked the Debrief to withhold details of retaliation by government officials due to an ongoing investigation.
stef25 3y ago
> Most UFO reports fall into the Optical Illusion category Indeed. Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident you can listen to the audio recording of some soldiers investigating what happened at the site of a proposed UFO landing, where they observe weird lights and scorch marks on trees. There's another page some guy set up where he posts photos he took himself at the site and even used screenshots from a TV interview of one of the witnesses of the event to clearly show that those lights were easily explain by surrounding structures (light house etc) and the marks on trees were probably left by lumberjacks. I'm baffled how a bunch of trained soldiers investigating over several days can just "conclude" that it was all very mysterious stuff going on and that, despite it being clearly debunked, this event is still seen as THE UFO event in the UK. Then again I have no idea how these latest videos of flying objects can be explained. To a lay person like myself it just seems completely crazy. How can a pilot claiming to see things fly at supersonic speeds doing impossible maneuvers be explained by a problem with the lens and / or "it's just a weather balloon". The "explanations" of it being ufos seem completely believable to me.

Loquebantur 3y ago

Optical illusions are not at all the same thing as visual hallucinations. Your allegation about UFO reports is accordingly simply incorrect.

gitfan86 3y ago
Right, so your point about people not having hallucinations frequently is valid. But most people do see optical illusions. So it seems strange that you have jumped to the conclusion that these must be real UFOs since most people do not hallucinate.
- Loquebantur 3y ago
  I did not jump to that conclusion, you are putting words in my mouth. The whistleblower reports of the existence of a research program that he was briefed about. He testifies this program was stuying non-human technology, among that functioning craft, aka "flying saucers". The determination of it being non-human in orgin was due to extensive material analysis, evident morphology and working characteistics of those devices.
  - gitfan86 3y ago
    "Someone claims that someone else told him material exists that is from aliens."
    - xpe 3y ago
      > "Someone claims that someone else told him material exists that is from aliens." I think I take your point: he doesn't have firsthand experience seeing the evidence. That said, the quote "Someone claims that someone else told him material exists that is from aliens." doesn't by itself convey the significance of these other people being high ranking intelligence officials. A trained intelligence professional has much more analytical skill and credibility than a person randomly sampled from the U.S. population. > The Debrief reported that Grusch’s knowledge of non-human materials and vehicles was based on “extensive interviews with high-level intelligence officials”. He said he had reported the existence of a UFO material “recovery program” to Congress. > “Grusch said that the craft recovery operations are ongoing at various levels of activity and that he knows the specific individuals, current and former, who are involved,” the Debrief reported. > In the Debrief article, Grusch does not say he has personally seen alien vehicles, nor does he say where they may be being stored. He asked the Debrief to withhold details of retaliation by government officials due to an ongoing investigation.

stef25 3y ago

> Most UFO reports fall into the Optical Illusion category Indeed. Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident you can listen to the audio recording of some soldiers investigating what happened at the site of a proposed UFO landing, where they observe weird lights and scorch marks on trees. There's another page some guy set up where he posts photos he took himself at the site and even used screenshots from a TV interview of one of the witnesses of the event to clearly show that those lights were easily explain by surrounding structures (light house etc) and the marks on trees were probably left by lumberjacks. I'm baffled how a bunch of trained soldiers investigating over several days can just "conclude" that it was all very mysterious stuff going on and that, despite it being clearly debunked, this event is still seen as THE UFO event in the UK. Then again I have no idea how these latest videos of flying objects can be explained. To a lay person like myself it just seems completely crazy. How can a pilot claiming to see things fly at supersonic speeds doing impossible maneuvers be explained by a problem with the lens and / or "it's just a weather balloon". The "explanations" of it being ufos seem completely believable to me.