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I corrected my math. It's 93000 schools. One in 2500 kids will be at school during a shooting. That's 2500-${dead} that will likely suffer from PTSD. Know what

I corrected my math. It's 93000 schools. One in 2500 kids will be at school during a shooting. That's 2500-${dead} that will likely suffer from PTSD. Know what people with PTSD often do? Hint: rhymes with suicide. Phones in schools help in active shooter situations. They help responders know what's going on. They let children call their parents. The article has links to unrelated studies and draws correlation without evidence to the author's conclusions. We have actual evidence that children have called their parents and that phones in hands have helped officers understand how things are playing out. This article and the personal accounts both here and there are unconvincing. Sure, social media is trash but I'm happy to deal with that on a personal level with my kid. There's nothing I can do to improve their safety at school though and that is something that school should be responsible for.

GoblinSlayer 3y ago
Won't parents just amplify panic?
prepend 3y ago
And how does that weigh toward the benefits of not having phones in schools? Or compared to having non-smart phones that can only call parents or 911? I’m glad you’re privileged enough to “deal” with social media with your kids. Monitoring whether I’m dealing with it is really hard, so I’m glad you’ve figured it out. But there are many other parents and kids without your privilege that are suffering from phones. Allowing phones to add some unquantified benefit during a school shooting rate event they will not impact 999:1000 kids seems like a selfish decision to justify how I want to raise my kids not thinking about everyone else. Kids with phones get the same PTSD during a school shooting as kids without phones. PTSD accounts for .6% of suicides in men and 3.5% of suicides in women [0]. I can’t find exactly comparable rates for social media, but studies show it has a 3x multiplier in depression for kids [1] and the increase in suicide that brings. No need to rhyme. So if our goal is reducing suicide, I think allowing phones to mitigate some small, unknown fraction of PTSD from a 1:1000 chance school shooting is not wise. I think adults are also misusing phones and quite addicted and suffering from harm and we project our decisions onto kids. But I think we should work to protect kids from our mistakes. We shouldnt try to justify kids smirking because we smoke. But it seems like we’re smoking away and saying that it’s ok that kids smoke too because of the spurious benefits of smoking. Like the old ad that said smoking was beneficial to moms because the low fetus weight at birth made vaginal birth easier. (This ended up being a fake photoshop [2]) But bringing up how kids can livestream their school shooting to reduce PTSD seems like such a similarly farcical reach when the complaint is that kids are misusing phones and suffering increased rates of depression, self-harm, and suicide. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032720328536 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016503272... [1] https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/2023/01/impact-of-social-media-teens-mental-health https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/2023/01/impact-of-soc... [2] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/winston-cigarettes-smoking-for-two/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/winston-cigarettes-smoking...

GoblinSlayer 3y ago

Won't parents just amplify panic?

prepend 3y ago

And how does that weigh toward the benefits of not having phones in schools? Or compared to having non-smart phones that can only call parents or 911? I’m glad you’re privileged enough to “deal” with social media with your kids. Monitoring whether I’m dealing with it is really hard, so I’m glad you’ve figured it out. But there are many other parents and kids without your privilege that are suffering from phones. Allowing phones to add some unquantified benefit during a school shooting rate event they will not impact 999:1000 kids seems like a selfish decision to justify how I want to raise my kids not thinking about everyone else. Kids with phones get the same PTSD during a school shooting as kids without phones. PTSD accounts for .6% of suicides in men and 3.5% of suicides in women [0]. I can’t find exactly comparable rates for social media, but studies show it has a 3x multiplier in depression for kids [1] and the increase in suicide that brings. No need to rhyme. So if our goal is reducing suicide, I think allowing phones to mitigate some small, unknown fraction of PTSD from a 1:1000 chance school shooting is not wise. I think adults are also misusing phones and quite addicted and suffering from harm and we project our decisions onto kids. But I think we should work to protect kids from our mistakes. We shouldnt try to justify kids smirking because we smoke. But it seems like we’re smoking away and saying that it’s ok that kids smoke too because of the spurious benefits of smoking. Like the old ad that said smoking was beneficial to moms because the low fetus weight at birth made vaginal birth easier. (This ended up being a fake photoshop [2]) But bringing up how kids can livestream their school shooting to reduce PTSD seems like such a similarly farcical reach when the complaint is that kids are misusing phones and suffering increased rates of depression, self-harm, and suicide. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032720328536 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016503272... [1] https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/2023/01/impact-of-social-media-teens-mental-health https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/2023/01/impact-of-soc... [2] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/winston-cigarettes-smoking-for-two/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/winston-cigarettes-smoking...