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> I'm just a happy little Python developer for Unix, and I think I'll stay that way. I assume you haven’t supported a twenty-year-old website entirely encoded

> I'm just a happy little Python developer for Unix, and I think I'll stay that way. I assume you haven’t supported a twenty-year-old website entirely encoded in KOI8-R—the ability to occasionally just set LC_ALL=ru_RU.KOI8-R can be invaluable, and the same caveats would apply there. Granted, I don’t think modern Python versions will even run properly by default under such conditions. (ETA: Ah, no, I was thinking about PEP 528 and 529, and those only apply to Windows. So dunno.)

eesmith 3y ago
Nope! Happy little me pretty much only needs to deal with monolingual English, and prices in £ and €. Verifying your "Ah, no" on a Mac: % python3.11 >>> print("\N{CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I}") Й >>> ^D % env LC_ALL=ru_RU.KOI8-R python3.11 >>> print("\N{CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I}") � >>> ^D Going to make some happy little clouds now. :)
- mananaysiempre 3y ago
  To be entirely fair, that’s a different problem: just because you launched something with a KOI8-R locale inside your terminal emulator doesn’t mean the emulator itself stopped expecting UTF-8. (I mean, it didn’t change its UI language to Russian either, did it?) If you use luit -encoding koi8-r env LC_ALL=ru_RU.KOI8-R python3.11 instead, for example, things do work out on my Linux machine, so apparently I was wrong as far as Unix versions of Python go.
- keithalewis 3y ago
  If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for me. (/s of course)
  - eesmith 3y ago
    But Jesus required more than ASCII! According to the divinely inspired translators of the 1611 King James Bible ("the Only True Bible"), John 3:16, from https://archive.org/details/1611-the-authorized-king-james-bible/page/n1321/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/1611-the-authorized-king-james-b... , is: 𝔉𝔬𝔯 𝔊𝔬𝔡 ſ𝔬 𝔩𝔬𝔳𝔢𝔡 𝔶ͤ 𝔴𝔬𝔯𝔩𝔡,𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔥𝔢 𝔤𝔞𝔲𝔢 𝔥𝔦𝔰 𝔬𝔫𝔩𝔶 𝔟𝔢𝔤𝔬𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔫 𝔖𝔬𝔫𝔫𝔢: 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔴𝔥𝔬ſ𝔬𝔢𝔲𝔢𝔯 𝔟𝔢𝔩𝔢𝔢𝔲𝔢𝔱𝔥 𝔦𝔫 𝔥𝔦𝔪 , ſ𝔥𝔬𝔲𝔩𝔡 𝔫𝔬𝔱 𝔭𝔢𝔯𝔦ſ𝔥, 𝔟𝔲𝔱 𝔥𝔞𝔳𝔢 𝔢𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔩𝔞𝔰𝔱𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔩𝔦𝔣𝔢. ASCII can't represent the yͤ shorthand for "the", nor the long-s that Jesus used. /s

eesmith 3y ago

Nope! Happy little me pretty much only needs to deal with monolingual English, and prices in £ and €. Verifying your "Ah, no" on a Mac: % python3.11 >>> print("\N{CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I}") Й >>> ^D % env LC_ALL=ru_RU.KOI8-R python3.11 >>> print("\N{CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I}") � >>> ^D Going to make some happy little clouds now. :)

mananaysiempre 3y ago
To be entirely fair, that’s a different problem: just because you launched something with a KOI8-R locale inside your terminal emulator doesn’t mean the emulator itself stopped expecting UTF-8. (I mean, it didn’t change its UI language to Russian either, did it?) If you use luit -encoding koi8-r env LC_ALL=ru_RU.KOI8-R python3.11 instead, for example, things do work out on my Linux machine, so apparently I was wrong as far as Unix versions of Python go.
keithalewis 3y ago
If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for me. (/s of course)
- eesmith 3y ago
  But Jesus required more than ASCII! According to the divinely inspired translators of the 1611 King James Bible ("the Only True Bible"), John 3:16, from https://archive.org/details/1611-the-authorized-king-james-bible/page/n1321/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/1611-the-authorized-king-james-b... , is: 𝔉𝔬𝔯 𝔊𝔬𝔡 ſ𝔬 𝔩𝔬𝔳𝔢𝔡 𝔶ͤ 𝔴𝔬𝔯𝔩𝔡,𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔥𝔢 𝔤𝔞𝔲𝔢 𝔥𝔦𝔰 𝔬𝔫𝔩𝔶 𝔟𝔢𝔤𝔬𝔱𝔱𝔢𝔫 𝔖𝔬𝔫𝔫𝔢: 𝔱𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔴𝔥𝔬ſ𝔬𝔢𝔲𝔢𝔯 𝔟𝔢𝔩𝔢𝔢𝔲𝔢𝔱𝔥 𝔦𝔫 𝔥𝔦𝔪 , ſ𝔥𝔬𝔲𝔩𝔡 𝔫𝔬𝔱 𝔭𝔢𝔯𝔦ſ𝔥, 𝔟𝔲𝔱 𝔥𝔞𝔳𝔢 𝔢𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔩𝔞𝔰𝔱𝔦𝔫𝔤 𝔩𝔦𝔣𝔢. ASCII can't represent the yͤ shorthand for "the", nor the long-s that Jesus used. /s