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The problem - which people pointed out in the other post, and which you're only fueling with this - is that you have no leverage here. You're a company that nob

by unalone 18y ago

The problem - which people pointed out in the other post, and which you're only fueling with this - is that you have no leverage here. You're a company that nobody knows about. You haven't released a project. Your web site looks terrible. You have "dashboard" in red but it isn't a link. You use three fonts, all of which are ugly, and your layout doesn't support my increasing font sizes. You post something mocking a guy that applied for your job, and submitted it like it was a humorous story. Now you're defending yourself by saying that not only are you not elitist, but you're not making much money, your job is a bad one, and you're basically an "average programmer." You are in an incredibly bad position here. Now, rather than admitting that you messed up, you're trying to hold that you've got a defensible position. You absolutely don't. And this was the first time a lot of us heard of your company, which means that your first impression was an awful one. Until you have a product, you'd do well to apologize, clam up, and wait until you blow us all away. And for the love of God, get a better designer: your blog hurts my eyes.

auston 18y ago
I don't remember distinctly saying or acting like an elitist. Salary is subjective to where you are living which in my case market is 40-60 (as validated by webwright) and i'm earning above market. I never said my job was bad? It's enjoyable and I'm happy working here. I am average web dev in the sense that me, you and other people on HN probably share the same interests... Lastly I plainly stated it was a mistake... You've never made a mistake?
- abstractbill 18y ago
  You've never made a mistake? Of course we all have auston. But you're making it worse by being defensive, as unalone says.
- unalone 18y ago
  When somebody applies for a job and you post his application publicly, you're assuming that you're in a position important enough to be able to treat his resume flippantly and get away with it. You're not. The assumption that you are is elitist in that you've decided you can get away with public disrespect for somebody else. Subjective salaries I understand. However, you're not making a ridiculous amount of money. To mock somebody for inquiring primarily about money, when you're an unknown company with no reputation whatsoever, and when you're not, in fact, making a particularly grand amount of money, is wrong on a few levels. You're a code monkey with no equity. You might be happy working where you are, but your original post implied that you were somebody with power and that you were being a jerk about it. Now it seems that you don't have any power, and that you were being a jerk without any qualification. There is no average web dev, as I've come to realize here. There are some people here who are huge into open source, who run completely open software and write for it and modify it. There are others who run Windows or OS X and pay excesses of money for things which they might not exactly need. Your "I am like most people reading this post" remark set me off, partly because I'm not like you whatsoever. My interests? Aestheticism, high-quality writing, and typography. Furthermore, I'm younger than you and have less professional experience. The fact that your original post seemed immature even to me is a bad sign. I wouldn't call it atrocious, because - as you say - everybody makes mistakes. I didn't comment on the original thread bashing you. However, it irritates me that your follow-up wasn't "Sorry, guys, I've done something terribly stupid, we've removed the original post and we'll maintain radio silence until we at least start talking about our idea," but rather an attempt to justify yourselves, followed by another appeal for job applications. Considering you've got three people, you ought to easily be able to at least launch a beta of your product. Other people have criticized you for hiring too soon; I'm not qualified enough to talk about that without sounding like a hypocrite. It seems to me, though, that if you're going to hire you ought to hold off until you've announced yourselves, so that you get applicants that might actually be interested in whatever Dashboard is.
apsurd 18y ago
It's a shame that I'm actually posting this, but I feel I need to add some empirical data to these claims. I did a quick scan of his HN profile and found these: Working personally: http://dentafy.com http://dentafy.com http://mymedcareer.net http://mymedcareer.net http://whatsinourcloset.com http://whatsinourcloset.com & http://ticketsplz.com http://ticketsplz.com I bring to your attention that every single site is a parked page. This reminds me of 4 years ago when I had all the ideas in the world, but had to mature a lot to finally be able to realize ideas are bullshit, and there's a long road ahead. I do not intend to kick this guy while he's down, but only to highlight what we all already know - he has a lot of growing up to do.
- auston 18y ago
  to be clear most of those ideas are friends and family who asked me to help. I haven't had the time to get to them because I've been working...
  - unalone 18y ago
    Then it's completely fine of you not to link to them. I link to one of my sites in my profile, and not to cirqueti.com or omegaseye.com because they're essentially splash pages. When I get the one off the ground, I'll link to it; until then, there's nothing wrong in maintaining radio silence about it.
    - auston 18y ago
      Sorry I didn't know there were rules for your HN profile. I changed it.
      - unalone 18y ago
        They aren't rules so much as guidelines. It's more a matter of "what about you do you want to make public?" If you link to a bunch of dead sites as your only info, it gives off a bad vibe.
- thomasmallen 18y ago

by unalone 18y ago

auston 18y ago

I don't remember distinctly saying or acting like an elitist. Salary is subjective to where you are living which in my case market is 40-60 (as validated by webwright) and i'm earning above market. I never said my job was bad? It's enjoyable and I'm happy working here. I am average web dev in the sense that me, you and other people on HN probably share the same interests... Lastly I plainly stated it was a mistake... You've never made a mistake?

abstractbill 18y ago
You've never made a mistake? Of course we all have auston. But you're making it worse by being defensive, as unalone says.
unalone 18y ago
When somebody applies for a job and you post his application publicly, you're assuming that you're in a position important enough to be able to treat his resume flippantly and get away with it. You're not. The assumption that you are is elitist in that you've decided you can get away with public disrespect for somebody else. Subjective salaries I understand. However, you're not making a ridiculous amount of money. To mock somebody for inquiring primarily about money, when you're an unknown company with no reputation whatsoever, and when you're not, in fact, making a particularly grand amount of money, is wrong on a few levels. You're a code monkey with no equity. You might be happy working where you are, but your original post implied that you were somebody with power and that you were being a jerk about it. Now it seems that you don't have any power, and that you were being a jerk without any qualification. There is no average web dev, as I've come to realize here. There are some people here who are huge into open source, who run completely open software and write for it and modify it. There are others who run Windows or OS X and pay excesses of money for things which they might not exactly need. Your "I am like most people reading this post" remark set me off, partly because I'm not like you whatsoever. My interests? Aestheticism, high-quality writing, and typography. Furthermore, I'm younger than you and have less professional experience. The fact that your original post seemed immature even to me is a bad sign. I wouldn't call it atrocious, because - as you say - everybody makes mistakes. I didn't comment on the original thread bashing you. However, it irritates me that your follow-up wasn't "Sorry, guys, I've done something terribly stupid, we've removed the original post and we'll maintain radio silence until we at least start talking about our idea," but rather an attempt to justify yourselves, followed by another appeal for job applications. Considering you've got three people, you ought to easily be able to at least launch a beta of your product. Other people have criticized you for hiring too soon; I'm not qualified enough to talk about that without sounding like a hypocrite. It seems to me, though, that if you're going to hire you ought to hold off until you've announced yourselves, so that you get applicants that might actually be interested in whatever Dashboard is.

apsurd 18y ago

It's a shame that I'm actually posting this, but I feel I need to add some empirical data to these claims. I did a quick scan of his HN profile and found these: Working personally: http://dentafy.com http://dentafy.com http://mymedcareer.net http://mymedcareer.net http://whatsinourcloset.com http://whatsinourcloset.com & http://ticketsplz.com http://ticketsplz.com I bring to your attention that every single site is a parked page. This reminds me of 4 years ago when I had all the ideas in the world, but had to mature a lot to finally be able to realize ideas are bullshit, and there's a long road ahead. I do not intend to kick this guy while he's down, but only to highlight what we all already know - he has a lot of growing up to do.

auston 18y ago
to be clear most of those ideas are friends and family who asked me to help. I haven't had the time to get to them because I've been working...
- unalone 18y ago
  Then it's completely fine of you not to link to them. I link to one of my sites in my profile, and not to cirqueti.com or omegaseye.com because they're essentially splash pages. When I get the one off the ground, I'll link to it; until then, there's nothing wrong in maintaining radio silence about it.
  - auston 18y ago
    Sorry I didn't know there were rules for your HN profile. I changed it.
    - unalone 18y ago
      They aren't rules so much as guidelines. It's more a matter of "what about you do you want to make public?" If you link to a bunch of dead sites as your only info, it gives off a bad vibe.
thomasmallen 18y ago