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The goal with Metal was making sure they own IOS, and now their new AR platform. Macs are selling well regardless. They are just a nice to have. I think they a

The goal with Metal was making sure they own IOS, and now their new AR platform. Macs are selling well regardless. They are just a nice to have. I think they are keeping an evil eye on asahi linux. As soon as that becomes viable, they'll act to keep people on OSX. Their worst nightmare would be steam actively moving to support proton on mac and doing things outside the apple store. Asahi linux would be the pre-cursor to that happening.

threeseed 3y ago
> As soon as that becomes viable Linux on the Desktop - Apple Silicon edition.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  And still no Miller columns. What a ripoff, I'm going back to Xserve...
kitsunesoba 3y ago
I doubt they’ll do anything to Asahi. They went out of their way to add third party OS support to M-series Macs after deriving them from the famously single-OS iPad architecture. They’ve also said that they’d welcome Microsoft porting Windows to M-series Macs and wouldn’t do anything to stop it. They clearly see the Mac a bit differently than they do the other iDevices.
- jillesvangurp 3y ago
  You are getting me wrong. As soon as people start running games on Apple hardware outside of their software platform, they'll want to fix that. Asahi Linux is making rapid progress to enabling that. Hence the announcement of a porting toolkit. Imagine if they don't do that and then Steam suddenly announces rolling out proton to macs and the availability of their full catalog. That's a scenario Apple would want to avoid. Hence the announcement of a porting kit.
  - imbnwa 3y ago
    Let's be real here, the vast, vast majority of Apple customers are never installing Asahi on their machine. Like, ever.
    - jillesvangurp 3y ago
      Again, you are misunderstanding me. Asahi Linux is doing a lot of hard work and open sourcing that. That in turn enables porting back some of that software to OSX. Steam on Mac so far runs without proton so it can't run a lot of things. The people developing Asahi Linux are doing a lot of hard work figuring out all the low level details of how the hardware platform works. The resulting software could be adapted to run inside of OS X. The hard part would be reverse engineering the hardware. Which is exactly what they are doing. And with the wide distribution of macs, it's obviously attractive for Valve and game studios to target that platform. Apple is responding to that threat by offering game studios an alternative.
  - MrScruff 3y ago
    Even if Asahi Linux is a big hit, it will be a minuscule drop in the ocean for Apple. Plus they make money from selling Macs.
coldtea 3y ago
>As soon as that becomes viable, they'll act to keep people on OSX. If you think that (even with a fully parity with say Ubuntu on Intel Asahi) people would move to Linux on their Mac on any number enough to even raise an eyebrow (much less worry) Apple, you are delluding yourself. People buy Macs to run macOS. A very tiny minority buys Macs to run Linux on. A slightly larger (but still insignificant) minority will convert an old Mac laying around to Linux. It's enough to get a project like Asahi support, not enough to make even a 1% dent on Apple's software/services ecosystem bottom line (the hardware side is the same, as those people are still buying a Mac anyway).

threeseed 3y ago

> As soon as that becomes viable Linux on the Desktop - Apple Silicon edition.

smoldesu 3y ago
And still no Miller columns. What a ripoff, I'm going back to Xserve...

kitsunesoba 3y ago

I doubt they’ll do anything to Asahi. They went out of their way to add third party OS support to M-series Macs after deriving them from the famously single-OS iPad architecture. They’ve also said that they’d welcome Microsoft porting Windows to M-series Macs and wouldn’t do anything to stop it. They clearly see the Mac a bit differently than they do the other iDevices.

jillesvangurp 3y ago
You are getting me wrong. As soon as people start running games on Apple hardware outside of their software platform, they'll want to fix that. Asahi Linux is making rapid progress to enabling that. Hence the announcement of a porting toolkit. Imagine if they don't do that and then Steam suddenly announces rolling out proton to macs and the availability of their full catalog. That's a scenario Apple would want to avoid. Hence the announcement of a porting kit.
- imbnwa 3y ago
  Let's be real here, the vast, vast majority of Apple customers are never installing Asahi on their machine. Like, ever.
  - jillesvangurp 3y ago
    Again, you are misunderstanding me. Asahi Linux is doing a lot of hard work and open sourcing that. That in turn enables porting back some of that software to OSX. Steam on Mac so far runs without proton so it can't run a lot of things. The people developing Asahi Linux are doing a lot of hard work figuring out all the low level details of how the hardware platform works. The resulting software could be adapted to run inside of OS X. The hard part would be reverse engineering the hardware. Which is exactly what they are doing. And with the wide distribution of macs, it's obviously attractive for Valve and game studios to target that platform. Apple is responding to that threat by offering game studios an alternative.
- MrScruff 3y ago
  Even if Asahi Linux is a big hit, it will be a minuscule drop in the ocean for Apple. Plus they make money from selling Macs.

coldtea 3y ago

>As soon as that becomes viable, they'll act to keep people on OSX. If you think that (even with a fully parity with say Ubuntu on Intel Asahi) people would move to Linux on their Mac on any number enough to even raise an eyebrow (much less worry) Apple, you are delluding yourself. People buy Macs to run macOS. A very tiny minority buys Macs to run Linux on. A slightly larger (but still insignificant) minority will convert an old Mac laying around to Linux. It's enough to get a project like Asahi support, not enough to make even a 1% dent on Apple's software/services ecosystem bottom line (the hardware side is the same, as those people are still buying a Mac anyway).