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I'm not sure - Apple's marketing claimed that the M1 was beating top end PC parts. This isn't even close.
by radicalbyte 3y ago
I'm not sure - Apple's marketing claimed that the M1 was beating top end PC parts. This isn't even close.
- flohofwoe 3y agoCPU maybe, GPU definitely not. In the end, M1's GPU is still a mobile GPU with a few desktop features bolted on (like BCx compressed texture formats).
- izacus 3y agoThey put comparison of power against nVidia 3090 which made every Apple fan think it's comparable in performance too :D
- willcipriano 3y agoWasn't it the "fastest laptop ever"?
- reaperman 3y agoI mean, for the work I do that’s probably true. My work is 99% CPU/RAM/disk dependent. GPU obviously not, but maybe that claim would hold water at some arbitrary wattage limit. My takeaway is that the GPU “doesn’t completely suck” and that Apple are dedicating continuing resources to making their platform actually usable, which I was worried about. I mean, it seems difficult just to intentionally use the Apple Neural Engine, and impossible to explicitly use it, which makes testing aggravating. Any continued focus on improving developer experience for the coprocessors (GPU, ANE, R1, etc) is a good signal.
- barbariangrunge 3y agoIf it's disk dependent, then the m2 ssds are half as fast as the m1 ssds because it's single lane, unless you upgrade
- reaperman 3y agoYeah I don't think laptops should be sold at all with 512GB -- I think that's as absurd of a product as a laptop with 128GB. Personally I spec out 2TB and judge price value based on that. So the speed issue doesn't affect me personally. I just wish they wouldn't sell that model and then it wouldn't affect anyone.
- throwaway290 3y agoIsn't it when anchored to energy consumption? Sure you can put a powerful GPU in a laptop and make it effectively anchored to wall plug...
- sudosysgen 3y agoThat's already true of the M1 Max. At maximum power from CPU+GPU it will barely last an hour. Edit: I wrote Ultra, but I meant Max.
- throwaway290 3y ago> M1 Ultra Do they put M1 Ultra in laptops tho?
- sudosysgen 3y agoYes. The MBP with an M1 Max will, at max performance, use enough power that it would discharge it's battery in less than an hour. I think Apple throttles it on battery, though.
- pram 3y agoThe MBP with an M1 Ultra isn't a thing that exists.
- sudosysgen 3y agoYou're right, I miswrote, it's the M1 Max. See https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performance-review/3 https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc... - the M1 Max can draw over 100W.
- Hamuko 3y agoNo. There does not exist an M1 Ultra laptop of any kind. Nor an M2 Ultra laptop for that matter. The only machines with Mn Ultra are the Mac Studio and Mac Pro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M1#Products_that_use_the_Apple_M1_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M1#Products_that_use_the...
- djsavvy 3y agoThat was for the M1 ultra, while TFA is on a standard M1.
- skavi 3y agoTo be fair, the M1 is now approaching 3 years of age. And the game is being emulated.
- naillo 3y agoMany much cheaper 3 year old PCs would handle this fine
- dannyw 3y agoNo, you won’t many cheaper 3 year old laptops running Cyperpunk 2077 on Ultra this well… name one.
- dahauns 3y agoHonestly, I wouldn't use the phrase "this well" non-sarcastically for ~15fps at 1440x900 like shown in the video.
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y agothis is on Ultra graphics settings.. not lot of laptop could even run it on Low Cyberpunk is known to be a VERY demanding open world game on lowest setting, this should probably be fine
- smoldesu 3y agoIt's an impressive turnout, but I wouldn't ignore the power of modern low-end APUs. Here's a 3-generation-old, entry level Ryzen laptop playing the game for comparison: https://youtu.be/Aqgm0zcV7Kw https://youtu.be/Aqgm0zcV7Kw "this well" is more or less equivalent to a older Ryzen 3's native performance. Apple is really banking on developers recompiling for ARM to reduce overhead here.
- dahauns 3y agoWithout RT it's actually not that demanding. I mean, here's the game on Ultra on a Steam Deck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHeso2jc_L0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHeso2jc_L0
- senttoschool 3y ago>I'm not sure - Apple's marketing claimed that the M1 was beating top end PC parts. This isn't even close. Your statement is quite misinformed. First, this is the M1. Not M1 Pro. Not M1 Max. The M1 is almost 3 years old. Second, this is being translated from DX12 to Metal and also x86 to ARM64. Yes, both the CPU and GPU layers are being translated. Third, Apple claimed that the M1 Max was the most powerful GPU on laptops. It was probably true depending on what benchmarks. Finally, this is Cyberpunk 2077 running in Ultra settings. It's the most demanding PC game ever.
- whazor 3y agoM1 has 8 GPU cores, M1 Pro has 16, M1 Max has 32 cores. Apple says the GPU of M1 Max is four times as fast as M1. So 30FPS Ultra on 1080p should be possible?
- _mitchie 3y agoThis is not the M1. You can’t configure a MacBook Pro 16 inch (stated in the tweet) with anything other than an M1 Pro / M1 Max, or M2 Pro / M2 Max on the latest models.
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- Hamuko 3y agoWhat, in playing Windows games with translated DirectX and amd64 calls?
- WhereIsTheTruth 3y agoit translates X86 to ARM, that's not free High-end games makes ton of use of SIMD instructions to gain massive boost, I wonder if that's translated properly
- whywhywhywhy 3y agoThey did, although the graph cuts off just before the 3090 takes the lead and goes beyond. https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/03/M1-vs-3090.jpg https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2022/03/M1-vs-3090.jpg Frustrating they're being this misleading when M1 is outstanding for it's own reasons, but 3090 eats it alive in the workflows it excels in too. Perfect machine would be both those chips in the same box tbh.
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- mrguyorama 3y agoThey've been straight up lying about the M series chips performance from day one. They will show insane graphs of the M chips beating top end desktop parts with an asterisk that explains the very specific BS benchmark they used that clearly favors their chip but won't generalize and then public benchmarks never even come close. People still parrot it.
- disnaturally 3y agoI do not understand. The picture you link clearly does not cut off that way: if it were the case, the curves would be about to cross at the cut, or maybe I am missing something?
- heliophobicdude 3y agoDo keep in mind this script was marketed as a way for game developers to judge the viability to port to using native apis and native isa. I would imagine that not running through this codeweavers patch and through rosetta would have better performance.
- mlindner 3y agoIt's being run through several layers of emulation. Of course it's going to be slow.
- doodlesdev 3y agoWine + DXVK disagrees. Graphics API emulation doesn't necessarily provide worse performance, in fact DXVK often wins against raw DirectX 9/10 and sometimes even DirectX 11. VKD3D performance is pretty awesome. Not sure how much of the bottleneck here is because of Rosetta though (i.e. cpu-bound) although I suspect not much really.
- dwaite 3y agoUnless it is running a JIT internally as part of the game engine, Rosetta should take the whole executable and rebuild it ahead-of-time.
- astrange 3y agoRosetta can only do that for an x86 macOS binary. Once it goes through WINE it's all JIT. Though I think it should get cached after a while.