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Keep in mind, it's getting 15fps at 1440x900. It's not saying that Cyberpunk 2077 at Ultra on an M1 is a great experience. It's merely pointing out that it's te

Keep in mind, it's getting 15fps at 1440x900. It's not saying that Cyberpunk 2077 at Ultra on an M1 is a great experience. It's merely pointing out that it's technically possible (which is a massive achievement).

demarq 3y ago
all while being emulated on rosetta
trevyn 3y ago
Not as massive an achievement as Proton getting nearly every Windows game in existence running well from unmodified binaries on Linux.
- yurishimo 3y ago
  Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. Think about how many Steam Decks have been sold. Game devs are already actively targeting the Deck. If porting games to Mac can be made easier, we all need to actively encourage it. Unfortunately, the only way we get Apple to give us more game dev tools is by porting the games. I have a Steam Deck and a Mac. I would love to play half the games from my Deck on my laptop.
  - icapybara 3y ago
    Do you find this is a good solution for playing Steam games? I have an older PC, and I'm thinking about replacing it with a macbook air and a steam deck. Does the steam deck feel more limiting than just having a windows PC with steam?
    - LegitShady 3y ago
      only get a steam deck if you're really interested in portable playing. You can build a better desktop from old parts. The steamdeck is an interesting device that's doing a lot for gaming via proton, but that makes tradeoffs for battery life and portability. If you're not interested in the portability just get a desktop. If you're interested in the portability but need a large screen, get a laptop. If you want a sega game gear form factor that can run steam games get a steam deck.
- akmarinov 3y ago
  Proton isn’t as massive an achievement as the sun! That thing pumps out around 2.3012⋅10^27 joules a second!
radicalbyte 3y ago
I'm not sure - Apple's marketing claimed that the M1 was beating top end PC parts. This isn't even close.
- flohofwoe 3y ago
  CPU maybe, GPU definitely not. In the end, M1's GPU is still a mobile GPU with a few desktop features bolted on (like BCx compressed texture formats).
  - izacus 3y ago
    They put comparison of power against nVidia 3090 which made every Apple fan think it's comparable in performance too :D
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      Wasn't it the "fastest laptop ever"?
      - reaperman 3y ago
        I mean, for the work I do that’s probably true. My work is 99% CPU/RAM/disk dependent. GPU obviously not, but maybe that claim would hold water at some arbitrary wattage limit. My takeaway is that the GPU “doesn’t completely suck” and that Apple are dedicating continuing resources to making their platform actually usable, which I was worried about. I mean, it seems difficult just to intentionally use the Apple Neural Engine, and impossible to explicitly use it, which makes testing aggravating. Any continued focus on improving developer experience for the coprocessors (GPU, ANE, R1, etc) is a good signal.
        barbariangrunge 3y ago
        If it's disk dependent, then the m2 ssds are half as fast as the m1 ssds because it's single lane, unless you upgrade
captainbland 3y ago
I think it's a network effect thing as much as anything else. If it's good enough to get people playing games on their macs at all (even if at relatively sub-par settings), that builds the market, shows there are people willing to spend money on games to play them on their macs. Then at that point games developers might be more inclined to give the platform explicit support. Otherwise it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation: people aren't playing games on their macs because the library isn't there, the library isn't there because no developers will support a platform where there aren't gamers and so on.
Hamuko 3y ago
Yeah, but that's the first attempt. The game porting toolkit is designed to shorten the time it takes to launch the game on macOS for the first time by allowing you to take the ready Windows version and just running it directly on macOS with translation. A finished macOS port would have additional work after this step. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10123/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10123/
throwaway2990 3y ago
Ultra with 16gb of memory shared between cpu and gpu. Unlike a a traditional laptop or desktop with separate memory for both.
ActorNightly 3y ago
"Technically possible" is a non statement. Of course its technically possible. The question is how much money is Apple willing to throw at making games run well on their gpu.

demarq 3y ago

all while being emulated on rosetta

trevyn 3y ago

Not as massive an achievement as Proton getting nearly every Windows game in existence running well from unmodified binaries on Linux.

yurishimo 3y ago
Don't let perfect be the enemy of the good. Think about how many Steam Decks have been sold. Game devs are already actively targeting the Deck. If porting games to Mac can be made easier, we all need to actively encourage it. Unfortunately, the only way we get Apple to give us more game dev tools is by porting the games. I have a Steam Deck and a Mac. I would love to play half the games from my Deck on my laptop.
- icapybara 3y ago
  Do you find this is a good solution for playing Steam games? I have an older PC, and I'm thinking about replacing it with a macbook air and a steam deck. Does the steam deck feel more limiting than just having a windows PC with steam?
  - LegitShady 3y ago
    only get a steam deck if you're really interested in portable playing. You can build a better desktop from old parts. The steamdeck is an interesting device that's doing a lot for gaming via proton, but that makes tradeoffs for battery life and portability. If you're not interested in the portability just get a desktop. If you're interested in the portability but need a large screen, get a laptop. If you want a sega game gear form factor that can run steam games get a steam deck.
akmarinov 3y ago
Proton isn’t as massive an achievement as the sun! That thing pumps out around 2.3012⋅10^27 joules a second!

radicalbyte 3y ago

I'm not sure - Apple's marketing claimed that the M1 was beating top end PC parts. This isn't even close.

flohofwoe 3y ago
CPU maybe, GPU definitely not. In the end, M1's GPU is still a mobile GPU with a few desktop features bolted on (like BCx compressed texture formats).
- izacus 3y ago
  They put comparison of power against nVidia 3090 which made every Apple fan think it's comparable in performance too :D
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    Wasn't it the "fastest laptop ever"?
    - reaperman 3y ago
      I mean, for the work I do that’s probably true. My work is 99% CPU/RAM/disk dependent. GPU obviously not, but maybe that claim would hold water at some arbitrary wattage limit. My takeaway is that the GPU “doesn’t completely suck” and that Apple are dedicating continuing resources to making their platform actually usable, which I was worried about. I mean, it seems difficult just to intentionally use the Apple Neural Engine, and impossible to explicitly use it, which makes testing aggravating. Any continued focus on improving developer experience for the coprocessors (GPU, ANE, R1, etc) is a good signal.
      - barbariangrunge 3y ago
        If it's disk dependent, then the m2 ssds are half as fast as the m1 ssds because it's single lane, unless you upgrade

captainbland 3y ago

I think it's a network effect thing as much as anything else. If it's good enough to get people playing games on their macs at all (even if at relatively sub-par settings), that builds the market, shows there are people willing to spend money on games to play them on their macs. Then at that point games developers might be more inclined to give the platform explicit support. Otherwise it's a bit of a chicken and egg situation: people aren't playing games on their macs because the library isn't there, the library isn't there because no developers will support a platform where there aren't gamers and so on.

Hamuko 3y ago

Yeah, but that's the first attempt. The game porting toolkit is designed to shorten the time it takes to launch the game on macOS for the first time by allowing you to take the ready Windows version and just running it directly on macOS with translation. A finished macOS port would have additional work after this step. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10123/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2023/10123/

throwaway2990 3y ago

Ultra with 16gb of memory shared between cpu and gpu. Unlike a a traditional laptop or desktop with separate memory for both.

ActorNightly 3y ago

"Technically possible" is a non statement. Of course its technically possible. The question is how much money is Apple willing to throw at making games run well on their gpu.