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Like it or not, it's here like CGI in movies bestsellers. I don't envy artists, most of them will have to rethink their plans and switch to graphics or web desi

Like it or not, it's here like CGI in movies bestsellers. I don't envy artists, most of them will have to rethink their plans and switch to graphics or web designers, or something similar. Not sure who will be next. Probably GPT will take over virtual bookshelves on Amazon. Mandatory "AI generated" mark may help a bit. I will not waste my time reading it. I think we should expect a flood of "masterpieces" in different channels. Including news reports, scientific papers. The solution could be closed humans only groups. But, like in chess today, it's hard to say who is cheating.

torginus 3y ago
Dunno, 'brand name' writers of airport novels have been forever accused of having ghost-written their novels, I think AI will allow writers of lesser budgets to also get help in writing their novels. Or who knows, even the 'King'-s of the world will use AI to fill out their chapters.
- two_in_one 3y ago
  yes, and we can expect a flood of those 'lesser budget' works. One domain where I welcome AI is computer games. Having more natural flexible characters will make games more interesting. As opposite to current pre-written texts. Also education, where kids can ask questions and give the answers. Not just read or listen passively.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    Just need to figure out how to do AI inference without tanking rendering performance. Offloading AI stuff to a cloud would make single player games unplayable offline and their servers won't stay online forever. Another solution would be to use a second GPU just for AI stuff. But that would make most current gaming devices useless.
    - Aerroon 3y ago
      Real time might be difficult right now anyway. It takes too long to figure out what the AI would do with the more powerful LLMs. On the bright side, compute power is probably going to continue increasing. Consumers might be able to run current LLMs on home hardware in a decade or two.
    - mywittyname 3y ago
      We've already crossed the Rubicon of single player games that require internet connectivity and are unplayable if some server disappears. GPUs will probably get a PhysX-like API for these kind of AI calculations in the future.
  - worrycue 3y ago
    > Also education, where kids can ask questions and give the answers. Not sure how parents feel about putting kids in front of a machine that can fabricate lies. I mean a encyclopaedia getting information wrong is one thing - garbage in, garbage out - but one that actively invents lies is like added another layer of bad to things. Probably better for kids learn to search for information and evaluate information sources.
    - SifJar 3y ago
      > Not sure how parents feel about putting kids in front of a machine that can fabricate lies. You mean like a human teacher? Of course, I agree with your point, but worth remembering that teachers can and do (knowingly or unknowingly) give incorrect information to their students. I think one big difference with ChatGPT etc. is, as far as I've seen, it will pretty much always give a confident sounding answer (unless it's on a banned topic) rather than saying something like "I don't know", which a (good) human teacher should do rather than just making something up.
      - glimshe 3y ago
        > You mean like a human teacher? This reminded me of one of my teachers who said that Cuba was a great place to live and the rest of Latin America should be more like them. She was essentially a communist who painted the old Soviet Union and communist countries in general as much better than the capitalist west.
- soco 3y ago
  I guess the task of finding something worth reading will get closer and closer to insurmountable under the flood of lesser and lesser productions. The more expensive ones will be deemed not worthy to produce and there, you'll be stuck between classics and lessers. I have no idea how to get out of this quickly approaching chaos. Stopping the lesser productions doesn't seem useful, also marking as "AI generated" will fail (is it still AI generated if I modified by hand two words on page 1?) and you'll have basically books generated on-demand wherever you click, hallucinations burying anything else I'm afraid.
- voltaireodactyl 3y ago
  Ghostwriting is actually a time honored way of breaking in. It’s similar to writing a great script that doesn’t get produced but getting offered work on another idea off the word of mouth.
- mym1990 3y ago
  Lots of musicians have their songs written by someone else…is this in a similar vein?
  - pelagic_sky 3y ago
    yes. same thing applies. ghost writers can write the whole song/book or rewrite a concept given to them.
whywhywhywhy 3y ago
> Mandatory "AI generated" mark may help a bit This will never happen, promise you that a major CGI sequence will ship completely AI generated in a Marvel movie within 3 years. This tech will be so integrated into workflows of Disney and the like that the idea of an "AI Generated" watermark will be as ridiculous to them as a "3D Rendered" watermark and if any legislation comes about they'll be against it.
- mym1990 3y ago
  Already on the docket in the EU: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230505IPR84904/ai-act-a-step-closer-to-the-first-rules-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230505IP...
- pelagic_sky 3y ago
  I could potentially see movies needing to credit AI in the end credits. Not sure how that would work out. Maybe list all the scenes and what AI was used? But none-the-less, not an easy clear cut solution.
  - mywittyname 3y ago
    I would expect studios to own and develop the AI systems they use.
  - snapcaster 3y ago
    Why? What would this actually accomplish?
cwkoss 3y ago
In 5 years, the idea of AI being "cheating" will seem as silly as someone touching up an image a photoshop being "cheating" does to us today. But I'm sure some people with expert darkroom skills had similar thoughts when photoshop was rising to prominence. Consumers don't care what tools were used to make what they produce. "AI generated" mark is something only the people being made obsolete will want, and their power is rapidly declining.

torginus 3y ago

Dunno, 'brand name' writers of airport novels have been forever accused of having ghost-written their novels, I think AI will allow writers of lesser budgets to also get help in writing their novels. Or who knows, even the 'King'-s of the world will use AI to fill out their chapters.

two_in_one 3y ago
yes, and we can expect a flood of those 'lesser budget' works. One domain where I welcome AI is computer games. Having more natural flexible characters will make games more interesting. As opposite to current pre-written texts. Also education, where kids can ask questions and give the answers. Not just read or listen passively.
- zirgs 3y ago
  Just need to figure out how to do AI inference without tanking rendering performance. Offloading AI stuff to a cloud would make single player games unplayable offline and their servers won't stay online forever. Another solution would be to use a second GPU just for AI stuff. But that would make most current gaming devices useless.
  - Aerroon 3y ago
    Real time might be difficult right now anyway. It takes too long to figure out what the AI would do with the more powerful LLMs. On the bright side, compute power is probably going to continue increasing. Consumers might be able to run current LLMs on home hardware in a decade or two.
  - mywittyname 3y ago
    We've already crossed the Rubicon of single player games that require internet connectivity and are unplayable if some server disappears. GPUs will probably get a PhysX-like API for these kind of AI calculations in the future.
- worrycue 3y ago
  > Also education, where kids can ask questions and give the answers. Not sure how parents feel about putting kids in front of a machine that can fabricate lies. I mean a encyclopaedia getting information wrong is one thing - garbage in, garbage out - but one that actively invents lies is like added another layer of bad to things. Probably better for kids learn to search for information and evaluate information sources.
  - SifJar 3y ago
    > Not sure how parents feel about putting kids in front of a machine that can fabricate lies. You mean like a human teacher? Of course, I agree with your point, but worth remembering that teachers can and do (knowingly or unknowingly) give incorrect information to their students. I think one big difference with ChatGPT etc. is, as far as I've seen, it will pretty much always give a confident sounding answer (unless it's on a banned topic) rather than saying something like "I don't know", which a (good) human teacher should do rather than just making something up.
    - glimshe 3y ago
      > You mean like a human teacher? This reminded me of one of my teachers who said that Cuba was a great place to live and the rest of Latin America should be more like them. She was essentially a communist who painted the old Soviet Union and communist countries in general as much better than the capitalist west.
soco 3y ago
I guess the task of finding something worth reading will get closer and closer to insurmountable under the flood of lesser and lesser productions. The more expensive ones will be deemed not worthy to produce and there, you'll be stuck between classics and lessers. I have no idea how to get out of this quickly approaching chaos. Stopping the lesser productions doesn't seem useful, also marking as "AI generated" will fail (is it still AI generated if I modified by hand two words on page 1?) and you'll have basically books generated on-demand wherever you click, hallucinations burying anything else I'm afraid.
voltaireodactyl 3y ago
Ghostwriting is actually a time honored way of breaking in. It’s similar to writing a great script that doesn’t get produced but getting offered work on another idea off the word of mouth.
mym1990 3y ago
Lots of musicians have their songs written by someone else…is this in a similar vein?
- pelagic_sky 3y ago
  yes. same thing applies. ghost writers can write the whole song/book or rewrite a concept given to them.

whywhywhywhy 3y ago

> Mandatory "AI generated" mark may help a bit This will never happen, promise you that a major CGI sequence will ship completely AI generated in a Marvel movie within 3 years. This tech will be so integrated into workflows of Disney and the like that the idea of an "AI Generated" watermark will be as ridiculous to them as a "3D Rendered" watermark and if any legislation comes about they'll be against it.

mym1990 3y ago
Already on the docket in the EU: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230505IPR84904/ai-act-a-step-closer-to-the-first-rules-on-artificial-intelligence https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230505IP...
pelagic_sky 3y ago
I could potentially see movies needing to credit AI in the end credits. Not sure how that would work out. Maybe list all the scenes and what AI was used? But none-the-less, not an easy clear cut solution.
- mywittyname 3y ago
  I would expect studios to own and develop the AI systems they use.
- snapcaster 3y ago
  Why? What would this actually accomplish?

cwkoss 3y ago

In 5 years, the idea of AI being "cheating" will seem as silly as someone touching up an image a photoshop being "cheating" does to us today. But I'm sure some people with expert darkroom skills had similar thoughts when photoshop was rising to prominence. Consumers don't care what tools were used to make what they produce. "AI generated" mark is something only the people being made obsolete will want, and their power is rapidly declining.