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In the Anglosphere, 'Native' generally refers to the US Native Peoples, particularly in the central-south Americas, extending up to around the Canadian border.

unmole 3y ago
> In the Anglosphere, 'Native' generally refers to the US Native Peoples Yeah, no. That might be true of North America but that's definitely not the case in the rest of the Anglosphere.
- naniwaduni 3y ago
  The core of the Anglosphere is like, 80% North American—70% US, even. The "rest" of the Anglosphere just has an inflated sense of their own importance!
  - unmole 3y ago
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make. What is even the point of generalising something to the Anglosphere if it is only applicable to North America?
    - contingencies 3y ago
      Now now, don't enrage the Americans with logic. Everyone knows the Angles were Germans who moved to America to provide beer for the early settlers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles_(tribe) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles_(tribe)
      - doodlebugging 3y ago
        I'm American and unafraid of logic. In fact it makes perfect sense to me to believe that the Angles were a good source for beer for early settlers. In fact it probably explains the inscription on an old headstone that many considered to be a misspelling - "Gone to be an angle". In this context I think the inscription fits perfectly for a poor soul who passed on to a better life where they expected to be able to find lots of beer after having spent their mortal life as a teetotaling Christian. If anyone asked about the spelling "error", their relatives could all claim it was misspelled while never revealing the truth that the departed really just wanted to enjoy a cold one after they had become a cold one.
    - mock-possum 3y ago
      The point is whataver America does is basically western / English civilization because the USA is such a big deal.
      - OJFord 3y ago
        But just say USA then? If you say anything else (however big a component of it the USA is) it just sounds pointedly like 'not just the USA but those others too'. I don't talk about 'the former British Empire' or 'the Commonwealth' or something when I mean the UK. (Or in the other direction, 'GB' or 'England' pointedly exclude Northern Ireland or Wales & Scotland too. The St George flag (of England) has football hooliganism associations somewhat as a consequence of that.)
julianeon 3y ago
It took me a while to understand this comment but I think I know what you're saying now - and I think it's wrong. Background: I have a Bio degree, briefly worked in conservation, and for context am also married to a woman with Native ancestry. The article uses Native in the sense in which you're using it, so I presume you mean that the use of the term 'native seeds' in the URL is misleading. But by long custom, "native plants" is an expression that has been used for many years, which Native peoples don't take exception to. See for example this link to the California Native Plants Society, one of thousands like it. https://www.cnps.org/gardening https://www.cnps.org/gardening I'd also like to point out that "native plants" and "Native peoples" are both harkening back to the same definition of "native" - as the first to be there, the original inhabitants in a sense. That is what "native seeds" is referring to, in the context of plants. There is nothing to object to here - both uses are valid.

unmole 3y ago

> In the Anglosphere, 'Native' generally refers to the US Native Peoples Yeah, no. That might be true of North America but that's definitely not the case in the rest of the Anglosphere.

naniwaduni 3y ago
The core of the Anglosphere is like, 80% North American—70% US, even. The "rest" of the Anglosphere just has an inflated sense of their own importance!
- unmole 3y ago
  I don't understand the point you're trying to make. What is even the point of generalising something to the Anglosphere if it is only applicable to North America?
  - contingencies 3y ago
    Now now, don't enrage the Americans with logic. Everyone knows the Angles were Germans who moved to America to provide beer for the early settlers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles_(tribe) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles_(tribe)
    - doodlebugging 3y ago
      I'm American and unafraid of logic. In fact it makes perfect sense to me to believe that the Angles were a good source for beer for early settlers. In fact it probably explains the inscription on an old headstone that many considered to be a misspelling - "Gone to be an angle". In this context I think the inscription fits perfectly for a poor soul who passed on to a better life where they expected to be able to find lots of beer after having spent their mortal life as a teetotaling Christian. If anyone asked about the spelling "error", their relatives could all claim it was misspelled while never revealing the truth that the departed really just wanted to enjoy a cold one after they had become a cold one.
  - mock-possum 3y ago
    The point is whataver America does is basically western / English civilization because the USA is such a big deal.
    - OJFord 3y ago
      But just say USA then? If you say anything else (however big a component of it the USA is) it just sounds pointedly like 'not just the USA but those others too'. I don't talk about 'the former British Empire' or 'the Commonwealth' or something when I mean the UK. (Or in the other direction, 'GB' or 'England' pointedly exclude Northern Ireland or Wales & Scotland too. The St George flag (of England) has football hooliganism associations somewhat as a consequence of that.)

julianeon 3y ago

It took me a while to understand this comment but I think I know what you're saying now - and I think it's wrong. Background: I have a Bio degree, briefly worked in conservation, and for context am also married to a woman with Native ancestry. The article uses Native in the sense in which you're using it, so I presume you mean that the use of the term 'native seeds' in the URL is misleading. But by long custom, "native plants" is an expression that has been used for many years, which Native peoples don't take exception to. See for example this link to the California Native Plants Society, one of thousands like it. https://www.cnps.org/gardening https://www.cnps.org/gardening I'd also like to point out that "native plants" and "Native peoples" are both harkening back to the same definition of "native" - as the first to be there, the original inhabitants in a sense. That is what "native seeds" is referring to, in the context of plants. There is nothing to object to here - both uses are valid.