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Announcing your theory that fractions don't exist or that pi is 3 would also be career suicide in math. That doesn't mean that mathematicians are overbearing do

Announcing your theory that fractions don't exist or that pi is 3 would also be career suicide in math. That doesn't mean that mathematicians are overbearing dogmatics. Some ice forming somewhere in Antarctica is a fine observation. It's not a contradiction to global warming. Local ice forming or local temperature drops aren't evidence against it. If climate scientists do dare to contradict the consensus around global warming, they have a high burden of proof. Stirring the pot by contradicting consensus without meeting that burden of proof is really earning the career suicide that you say follows, whether or not they believe what they're claiming. If done with intent to mislead, that would seem to put you with all the scoundrels who have taken a paycheck to lie to the public about lung cancer from cigarettes, and then later took paychecks to lie to the public about AGW.

monero-xmr 3y ago
The climate is extremely complicated. Measuring “average” earth temperature is itself open to interpretation. We have evidence that the earth was much cooler in the recent past as well as much hotter. Carbon PPM doesn’t necessarily cause the increased temperatures we are perhaps having. To say any of this publicly as a professor is career suicide. To say it as an employee is to be labeled a corporate stooge. The only solution according to the government is to hand trillions of dollars to ESG whatever the fuck and don’t look too deeply at how it’s spent. Insanity all around.
- smolder 3y ago
  > We have evidence that the earth was much cooler in the recent past as well as much hotter. Whatever "recent" is to you, there are graphs comprised of plenty of good data which very strongly support the theory that industrialization by humans and the associated, rapid increase of CO2 have lead to increased retention of solar energy and all the effects that come with that. There's also not really any doubt that raising atmospheric CO2 increases energy retention through reduced emission to space. It's something that can be modeled well. > To say any of this publicly as a professor is career suicide. Not true. I happen to know of a community college professor in a rural area who is popular with some people because he is skeptical of global warming... He's unqualified to be in front of a class talking about it, but some people like and encourage that sort of thing. The fact remains that the oil lobby has paid big bucks to convince people AGW isn't a thing, while at the same time believing it was. I think most of the skepticism pointed at the fundamental idea of AGW is a side effect of that propaganda, or more of the same.
  - monero-xmr 3y ago
    One of our best family friends is a PhD in meteorology and her graduate research was on aggregating temperature data collected from global weather stations. In her own words, the data was shit and full of gaps, she wasn’t a software engineer yet self-taught the necessary python to create horrible kludge scripts that turned it into “something”, and was given a grant from the NIH for her work. The end result was a single vector trumpeted by her ivy-league school that added “yet more evidence” to the consensus of climate change, and she is now a tenured professor in the UC system. Total garbage end to end. I love her to death but get her a few cocktails deep and she will freely admit it’s a grift.
    - smolder 3y ago
      Interesting anecdote. Can't say I wouldn't be interested to hear the details of her story.
      - monero-xmr 3y ago
        I’m not saying climate change is incorrect, but I will say that the “overwhelming consensus” has resulted in a lot of warped incentives and weird results. The climate is really hard to model and in a rush to blame it for the apocalypse we have reduced a lot of critical thinking.

monero-xmr 3y ago

The climate is extremely complicated. Measuring “average” earth temperature is itself open to interpretation. We have evidence that the earth was much cooler in the recent past as well as much hotter. Carbon PPM doesn’t necessarily cause the increased temperatures we are perhaps having. To say any of this publicly as a professor is career suicide. To say it as an employee is to be labeled a corporate stooge. The only solution according to the government is to hand trillions of dollars to ESG whatever the fuck and don’t look too deeply at how it’s spent. Insanity all around.

smolder 3y ago
> We have evidence that the earth was much cooler in the recent past as well as much hotter. Whatever "recent" is to you, there are graphs comprised of plenty of good data which very strongly support the theory that industrialization by humans and the associated, rapid increase of CO2 have lead to increased retention of solar energy and all the effects that come with that. There's also not really any doubt that raising atmospheric CO2 increases energy retention through reduced emission to space. It's something that can be modeled well. > To say any of this publicly as a professor is career suicide. Not true. I happen to know of a community college professor in a rural area who is popular with some people because he is skeptical of global warming... He's unqualified to be in front of a class talking about it, but some people like and encourage that sort of thing. The fact remains that the oil lobby has paid big bucks to convince people AGW isn't a thing, while at the same time believing it was. I think most of the skepticism pointed at the fundamental idea of AGW is a side effect of that propaganda, or more of the same.
- monero-xmr 3y ago
  One of our best family friends is a PhD in meteorology and her graduate research was on aggregating temperature data collected from global weather stations. In her own words, the data was shit and full of gaps, she wasn’t a software engineer yet self-taught the necessary python to create horrible kludge scripts that turned it into “something”, and was given a grant from the NIH for her work. The end result was a single vector trumpeted by her ivy-league school that added “yet more evidence” to the consensus of climate change, and she is now a tenured professor in the UC system. Total garbage end to end. I love her to death but get her a few cocktails deep and she will freely admit it’s a grift.
  - smolder 3y ago
    Interesting anecdote. Can't say I wouldn't be interested to hear the details of her story.
    - monero-xmr 3y ago
      I’m not saying climate change is incorrect, but I will say that the “overwhelming consensus” has resulted in a lot of warped incentives and weird results. The climate is really hard to model and in a rush to blame it for the apocalypse we have reduced a lot of critical thinking.