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It must really, really suck to be a Google executive finally seeing their own stunts reversed on them. It's absolutely amazing how much criticism Microsoft push

It must really, really suck to be a Google executive finally seeing their own stunts reversed on them. It's absolutely amazing how much criticism Microsoft pushing Bing gets when Google did it more and worse for longer. As usual: People who generally use Google products don't even notice how insanely aggressively Google uses it's various monopolies to push their other products. I have a screenshot of Gmail on Firefox which had three separate Chrome banners stacked in my browser at once.

stingraycharles 3y ago
From another perspective, over the past decade it must have been really frustrating for Microsoft execs to see their own stunts reversed on them by Google.
mynameisvlad 3y ago
I don’t think any company or fan base is different than any other, really. Google, Microsoft, Apple, et al all serve their own best interests first, all in very similar ways. Their fans often have a blind spot for their company’s actions while lambasting the others for doing the same thing. And it’s just plain human nature; people see fandom as “belonging as part of a group” and any criticism towards an “enemy” is going to reinforce their choice of browser/OS/phone/whatever and that the company they are cheering for is the best. And the deeper you are in the fandom, the more your echo chamber feeds into those same beliefs. In truth, all companies suck, as do their fans. Some may suck less on a particular day/week/month, but over a long enough time period it’s all the same shit.
nycdatasci 3y ago
This isn’t a fair comparison. Open Chrome then open Edge. In the former, you see a simple inferface with a search bar and maybe a few icons for frequently visited websites. In the latter, you’re meandering through a Turkish bazaar filled with thousands of knick-knack vendors, newsstands, etc. Microsoft puts no thought into the user experience and every thought into “we can use it to make money!”
- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  Are you sure about that? Chrome has a feature called “Cards” which is enabled by default, but is currently not as in your face as the Bing News stuff. https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/11032183?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/11032183?hl=en&co=G... > Chrome curates content that may interest you based on your activity. You must be signed in to your Google Account for your Cards to appear on the New Tab page. When you click on an item in a card, it opens the content in the same tab. It looks like right now it’s limited to recipes and unfinished shopping carts, but the intent seems to be the same in the long run. FWIW it can easily be disabled, but so can the Bing News ads.
  - worrycue 3y ago
    I can’t find Cards … Is it US only? I recently started using Chrome again - like last month - never noticed any “Cards”. There is the weird Journey thing though. No idea what’s that about.
    - mynameisvlad 3y ago
      Might be? I think it’s just so limited in scope right now that most people don’t see them or at least not as often. They seem to be triggered based on recent activity rather than Bing News which is always there. I think I’ve seen the “cart” one once or twice but the recipe one was downright obnoxious. The only reason I know the feature even exists is because I once searched for a street corn recipe and would constantly get the same cards reminding me about the recipe for weeks after. If I haven’t touched the card in weeks, you’d think they’d get the hint that I no longer want to make street corn.
geodel 3y ago
Exactly. I don't know why people criticize MS. They should in-fact demand more intrusive/inbuilt ads in Windows to compete well with Google.
grouchomarx 3y ago
> don't even notice Yea exactly. Microsoft is so oafish and blatant about it that tech writers pay attention
deafpolygon 3y ago
Yes, this. I said as much in another comment, but you worded it perfectly. Google pushing their G Suite, Chrome, even ChromeOS far more than Apple/Microsoft and no one bats an eye.

stingraycharles 3y ago

From another perspective, over the past decade it must have been really frustrating for Microsoft execs to see their own stunts reversed on them by Google.

mynameisvlad 3y ago

I don’t think any company or fan base is different than any other, really. Google, Microsoft, Apple, et al all serve their own best interests first, all in very similar ways. Their fans often have a blind spot for their company’s actions while lambasting the others for doing the same thing. And it’s just plain human nature; people see fandom as “belonging as part of a group” and any criticism towards an “enemy” is going to reinforce their choice of browser/OS/phone/whatever and that the company they are cheering for is the best. And the deeper you are in the fandom, the more your echo chamber feeds into those same beliefs. In truth, all companies suck, as do their fans. Some may suck less on a particular day/week/month, but over a long enough time period it’s all the same shit.

nycdatasci 3y ago

This isn’t a fair comparison. Open Chrome then open Edge. In the former, you see a simple inferface with a search bar and maybe a few icons for frequently visited websites. In the latter, you’re meandering through a Turkish bazaar filled with thousands of knick-knack vendors, newsstands, etc. Microsoft puts no thought into the user experience and every thought into “we can use it to make money!”

mynameisvlad 3y ago
Are you sure about that? Chrome has a feature called “Cards” which is enabled by default, but is currently not as in your face as the Bing News stuff. https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/11032183?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/11032183?hl=en&co=G... > Chrome curates content that may interest you based on your activity. You must be signed in to your Google Account for your Cards to appear on the New Tab page. When you click on an item in a card, it opens the content in the same tab. It looks like right now it’s limited to recipes and unfinished shopping carts, but the intent seems to be the same in the long run. FWIW it can easily be disabled, but so can the Bing News ads.
- worrycue 3y ago
  I can’t find Cards … Is it US only? I recently started using Chrome again - like last month - never noticed any “Cards”. There is the weird Journey thing though. No idea what’s that about.
  - mynameisvlad 3y ago
    Might be? I think it’s just so limited in scope right now that most people don’t see them or at least not as often. They seem to be triggered based on recent activity rather than Bing News which is always there. I think I’ve seen the “cart” one once or twice but the recipe one was downright obnoxious. The only reason I know the feature even exists is because I once searched for a street corn recipe and would constantly get the same cards reminding me about the recipe for weeks after. If I haven’t touched the card in weeks, you’d think they’d get the hint that I no longer want to make street corn.

geodel 3y ago

Exactly. I don't know why people criticize MS. They should in-fact demand more intrusive/inbuilt ads in Windows to compete well with Google.

grouchomarx 3y ago

> don't even notice Yea exactly. Microsoft is so oafish and blatant about it that tech writers pay attention

deafpolygon 3y ago

Yes, this. I said as much in another comment, but you worded it perfectly. Google pushing their G Suite, Chrome, even ChromeOS far more than Apple/Microsoft and no one bats an eye.