I think both of you recognize a noble & true goal of optimizing & empowering people. I somewhat think there's a huge error here though, a massive mistake in co

I think both of you recognize a noble & true goal of optimizing & empowering people. I somewhat think there's a huge error here though, a massive mistake in computing that we have such a huge divide between user and developer. A couple small vim tricks or enough shell knowledge to be a little dangerous, or even someone ok at excel macros blends the line so much here. We have been building more and more totalistic apps, which afford less & less view of computing & developer-ish sensibilities. It keeps getting harder to see because we are so entrenched in pro application anti computing paradigms, but I think some day consumeristic computing will be worn thin. I New-old dynamics can re-start, embracing systems that also try to offer more developer-like sensibilities & capabilities. Douglas Engelbart's idea of augmenting intellect to me speaks of the need for people to get great at toolbending, I at taking some good existing tools & capabilities, and being greatly empowered to bend create & explore different configurations & possibilities. Soft systems, with malleability, where users can ad-hoc cross over the aisle & become developers: that's a strong culture, where softwares real hidden noble purpose lies. And where we can stop hating, stop being adrift & trapped, amid unyielding prisons of hard computing.