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Yes. If this is a competence test, which allows you to demonstrate your understanding of social contracts, you should absolutely wait for the green light.

pixl97 3y ago
Social contacts always have two or more sides. For example red light cameras. Makes perfect sense right, running red lights is bad as it can cause harm, and harm would be a violation of the social contract. .... except the cities were commonly taking the yellow light timing down far below recommended levels in order to maximize profits. AI in a world that demands profits spells the end of freedom.
- startupsfail 3y ago
  The example that you’ve given of light profiteering with yellow lights doesn’t sound like the end of freedom to me. Particularly, if you’re allowed to contest that yellow light fairly and efficiently, using the records from the same cameras and AI technology. Ideally, you’d just register a complaint and the thing would give you a video and a clear explanation of what did you do wrong and why it was not a good idea. Traffic laws are relatively straightforward after all.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    See, this is what the privilege of someone that has the resources to defend themselves sounds like. >if you’re allowed to contest that yellow light fairly and efficiently, That's a pain in the ass already in our current system and there is no alignment in our politics that will make it better. If you have money and don't care, you'll pay the ticket. If you have money and do care you'll spend a lot of time with records requests, and resubmitting records requests and pushing trial dates because the system won't give you the records you need in time. The legal system does in no way work in ideals. It's not until you're on the wrong side of the law you realize exactly how fucked up it can be. It is then you realize how many laws exist that are unenforced until you bring too much attention to yourself.
    - startupsfail 3y ago
      It still doesn’t sounds like the end of freedom. But yes, ideally the system should be rigged in a way that the amount of money you have doesn’t influence how much it sucks to be on the wrong side of the law. It’s a regressive tax otherwise.
jhonof 3y ago
It isn't a competence test for demonstrating your understanding of social contracts though, it's a completely arbitrary rule.
mewpmewp2 3y ago
How is it a competence test? It doesn't show any competence. It's a compliance test to see if you are willing to behave non-optimally and sacrifice your time to prove that you are compliant. In fact a person who goes over with red light when it's safe to do so might be in total paying more attention compared to the one who only watches the lights. The one who watches the lights may miss a car speeding by even though the light was green.

pixl97 3y ago

Social contacts always have two or more sides. For example red light cameras. Makes perfect sense right, running red lights is bad as it can cause harm, and harm would be a violation of the social contract. .... except the cities were commonly taking the yellow light timing down far below recommended levels in order to maximize profits. AI in a world that demands profits spells the end of freedom.

startupsfail 3y ago
The example that you’ve given of light profiteering with yellow lights doesn’t sound like the end of freedom to me. Particularly, if you’re allowed to contest that yellow light fairly and efficiently, using the records from the same cameras and AI technology. Ideally, you’d just register a complaint and the thing would give you a video and a clear explanation of what did you do wrong and why it was not a good idea. Traffic laws are relatively straightforward after all.
- pixl97 3y ago
  See, this is what the privilege of someone that has the resources to defend themselves sounds like. >if you’re allowed to contest that yellow light fairly and efficiently, That's a pain in the ass already in our current system and there is no alignment in our politics that will make it better. If you have money and don't care, you'll pay the ticket. If you have money and do care you'll spend a lot of time with records requests, and resubmitting records requests and pushing trial dates because the system won't give you the records you need in time. The legal system does in no way work in ideals. It's not until you're on the wrong side of the law you realize exactly how fucked up it can be. It is then you realize how many laws exist that are unenforced until you bring too much attention to yourself.
  - startupsfail 3y ago
    It still doesn’t sounds like the end of freedom. But yes, ideally the system should be rigged in a way that the amount of money you have doesn’t influence how much it sucks to be on the wrong side of the law. It’s a regressive tax otherwise.

jhonof 3y ago

It isn't a competence test for demonstrating your understanding of social contracts though, it's a completely arbitrary rule.

mewpmewp2 3y ago

How is it a competence test? It doesn't show any competence. It's a compliance test to see if you are willing to behave non-optimally and sacrifice your time to prove that you are compliant. In fact a person who goes over with red light when it's safe to do so might be in total paying more attention compared to the one who only watches the lights. The one who watches the lights may miss a car speeding by even though the light was green.