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It’s not a VR headset, it is a computer with its own OS and M2 processor. I don’t think that VR or AR was mentioned a single time in the Apple event. They say t

It’s not a VR headset, it is a computer with its own OS and M2 processor. I don’t think that VR or AR was mentioned a single time in the Apple event. They say this is the first device for spatial computing and that this is equivalent to the first Mac as far as changing OS UI goes. This will be another part of the Apple system along with Macs, iPhones, iPads, etc. You will never be able to use this as just a monitor equivalent for any other OS.

TheRealPomax 3y ago
Right, so: it's just another VR headset, just beefier. Have you not been paying attention to Meta's Quest and the like? Modern VR headsets are computers, they run their own OS, with applications/games loaded onto the device itself, and they can be used as a VR display client for other operating systems. This is an M2 computer strapped to your head: it can bloody well do VR, let's see what folks do with this device that Apple never asked them to, but they do anyway because Apple doesn't get to tell them how to use their overpriced hardware (especially if the moment you buy it, the buyback is $50 if you're lucky)
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  Quest Pro owner[1]: it's "a total waste of money", "embarassing how much of an unpolished piece of garbage it feels like", it's "a steaming pile of trash", "infuriating", "buggy", "janky". MKBHD on the Vision Pro: better image passthrough, better responsiveness, better hand tracking, better eye tracking, better image quality than any other headset he's ever used. You: "overpriced hardware". No, better hardware. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36220459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36220459
  - TheRealPomax 3y ago
    Something can be both "more expensive because it's better" and "overpriced" at the same time. Those two are not mutually exclusive.
    - jodrellblank 3y ago
      Someone can't say "let's wait until people have them for review before speculating" and then describe them as "overpriced" at the same time, those two are mutually exclusive.
      - TheRealPomax 3y ago
        They most certainly aren't, given Apple's track record for adding about 200% markup on every single product they've made in the last 20 years. This product is overpriced until proven otherwise even if it does exactly what they claim and it beats the competition by a country mile. If it's not $1000 over an already healthy profit margin, that'd be an Apple first in a very long time.
        jodrellblank 3y ago
        200% markup compared to what? The price they paid for the stuff? This product is not overpriced until any competitor makes anything like as good, and sells it significantly cheaper (people who pay for branding get value from branding). Which we won't know until ~2024 when this thing goes on sale.

TheRealPomax 3y ago

Right, so: it's just another VR headset, just beefier. Have you not been paying attention to Meta's Quest and the like? Modern VR headsets are computers, they run their own OS, with applications/games loaded onto the device itself, and they can be used as a VR display client for other operating systems. This is an M2 computer strapped to your head: it can bloody well do VR, let's see what folks do with this device that Apple never asked them to, but they do anyway because Apple doesn't get to tell them how to use their overpriced hardware (especially if the moment you buy it, the buyback is $50 if you're lucky)

jodrellblank 3y ago
Quest Pro owner[1]: it's "a total waste of money", "embarassing how much of an unpolished piece of garbage it feels like", it's "a steaming pile of trash", "infuriating", "buggy", "janky". MKBHD on the Vision Pro: better image passthrough, better responsiveness, better hand tracking, better eye tracking, better image quality than any other headset he's ever used. You: "overpriced hardware". No, better hardware. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36220459 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36220459
- TheRealPomax 3y ago
  Something can be both "more expensive because it's better" and "overpriced" at the same time. Those two are not mutually exclusive.
  - jodrellblank 3y ago
    Someone can't say "let's wait until people have them for review before speculating" and then describe them as "overpriced" at the same time, those two are mutually exclusive.
    - TheRealPomax 3y ago
      They most certainly aren't, given Apple's track record for adding about 200% markup on every single product they've made in the last 20 years. This product is overpriced until proven otherwise even if it does exactly what they claim and it beats the competition by a country mile. If it's not $1000 over an already healthy profit margin, that'd be an Apple first in a very long time.
      - jodrellblank 3y ago
        200% markup compared to what? The price they paid for the stuff? This product is not overpriced until any competitor makes anything like as good, and sells it significantly cheaper (people who pay for branding get value from branding). Which we won't know until ~2024 when this thing goes on sale.