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Perhaps people are tired of the same story playing out every few years. Someone got told by somebody else there’s a massive coverup and they definitely have the

Perhaps people are tired of the same story playing out every few years. Someone got told by somebody else there’s a massive coverup and they definitely have the documents but they’re withholding them for reasons and no we can’t see them but we should absolutely take this story at face value because they have or had a career in the military so are a Very Reliable Person we should take very seriously. We’re on like season eight or nine of this show and it’s the same plot every time around.

pmarreck 3y ago
> We’re on like season eight or nine of this show and it’s the same plot every time around. Until it's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory
- King-Aaron 3y ago
  People keep saying "If there was such a conspiracy, the government couldn't keep it under wraps, someone would say something". And then someone says something, and they respond with: "If there was such a conspiracy, the government couldn't keep it under wraps, someone would say something"
  - stouset 3y ago
    You are entirely neglecting the requirement that at the end of the days, these leaks need substance: documents, photo, or other actual evidence besides one guy saying someone else overheard a conversation where another person described our secret ET program. One crank making headlines every few years with nothing that actually backs up their claims doesn’t cut it. By that metric you might as well believe the hundreds of “leakers” claiming the government is made of lizard people.
    - King-Aaron 3y ago
      > You are entirely neglecting the requirement that at the end of the days, these leaks need substance: documents, photo, or other actual evidence There is evidence however, things like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bt6_Potk5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bt6_Potk5Q which are becoming more and more common as time goes on. There does seem to be an increasing willingness to disregard evidence all the while demanding more evidence. Recently the pentagon stated they had hundreds of documents/photographs/videos and what has been released publicly does make this appear legitimate. Is it an alien spaceship? Probably not. Is it an object flying across a warzone that could potentially be a threat of some kind? Quite possibly. > One crank making headlines every few years The interesting part of this news is that this person is not "one crank", he's an actual expert in the field employed by organisations to research this exact phenomena. Recently we have had several such experts come along and make these claims. To dismiss that off-hand doesn't seem particularly reasonable these days.
      - stouset 3y ago
        Nobody denies that military sensors have picked up unexplained phenomena. Does that make it evidence of little green men visiting in spacecraft? Not even close. > The interesting part of this news is that this person is not "one crank", he's an actual expert in the field employed by organisations to research this exact phenomena. And yet here we are again with this one person’s word and nothing in the way of actual evidence. At this point the earth is blanketed in radar and high definition cameras. Wake me up when there is evidence past a 240p out of focus video or something odd on an infrared sensor 100km away. I want to believe. I read every book I could find about UFOs when I was a kid. But here we are 30 years later playing out the same tired storylines over and over again.
        BobbyJo 3y ago
        I don't see where he is claiming little green men. Is he claiming that?
        pmarreck 3y ago
        He claims we have retrieved dead bodies. Nonhuman bodies. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12165669/Military-whistleblower-says-recovered-dead-pilots-craft-non-human-origin.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12165669/Military-w... There are better sources of this than Daily Mail but I am short on time. Just google his name.
notahacker 3y ago
The most boring thing about the alien versions of the story for non Americans is its always the US military the aliens are buzzing. Perhaps the aliens are really diligent about avoiding leaving any artefacts behind in the sort of state where some mid ranking official would happily sell the evidence for the price of a new Mercedes or the military would turn up three weeks after international journalists, or the sort of state whose closely-guarded treasure chest full of alien artefacts would have been burst wide open when the government was overthrown.
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  UFOs are not a US only phenomenon, certainly not a US military only phenomenon. Major events have happened (or been claimed to have happened) in many other countries, including several of the most famous events (Redlesham, Westall, Ariel). There are plenty of reasons to doubt UFOs are real/interesting, but that's just not a valid criticism.
  - notahacker 3y ago
    We're not talking about sightings though[1]. We're talking about secret programmes to amass collections of hugely valuable alien detritus wherever they happen to land. One of the key protagonists of this story even insists that 'retrievals of this nature are not limited to the United States' But for some reason not only have shadowy government agencies been successful at preventing alien artefacts from circulating in India, France, Zimbabwe, the former USSR and multiple regimes whose demise was much more violent than the breakup of the USSR, those states and their descendant states have actually kept a better lid on their programmes! [1]though I'm not sure your other cited sightings also involving English speakers immersed in Western culture exactly undermines the implication that its a cultural phenomenon driven by US media. But perhaps aliens can't communicate telepathically in Shona or Ndbele...
    - BobbyJo 3y ago
      Is your argument that governments have kept the secret well? That's just not true. There have been claimants from the USSR and France (you can find documents about either on theblackvault). Materials have been claimed to have been recovered by South American people, even recently. China shut down an airport due to a UFO just recently. The veracity of the above are all suspect, but the fundamental claim that this is something only Americans think about or only happens here, just doesn't reflect reality.

pmarreck 3y ago

> We’re on like season eight or nine of this show and it’s the same plot every time around. Until it's not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

King-Aaron 3y ago
People keep saying "If there was such a conspiracy, the government couldn't keep it under wraps, someone would say something". And then someone says something, and they respond with: "If there was such a conspiracy, the government couldn't keep it under wraps, someone would say something"
- stouset 3y ago
  You are entirely neglecting the requirement that at the end of the days, these leaks need substance: documents, photo, or other actual evidence besides one guy saying someone else overheard a conversation where another person described our secret ET program. One crank making headlines every few years with nothing that actually backs up their claims doesn’t cut it. By that metric you might as well believe the hundreds of “leakers” claiming the government is made of lizard people.
  - King-Aaron 3y ago
    > You are entirely neglecting the requirement that at the end of the days, these leaks need substance: documents, photo, or other actual evidence There is evidence however, things like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bt6_Potk5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bt6_Potk5Q which are becoming more and more common as time goes on. There does seem to be an increasing willingness to disregard evidence all the while demanding more evidence. Recently the pentagon stated they had hundreds of documents/photographs/videos and what has been released publicly does make this appear legitimate. Is it an alien spaceship? Probably not. Is it an object flying across a warzone that could potentially be a threat of some kind? Quite possibly. > One crank making headlines every few years The interesting part of this news is that this person is not "one crank", he's an actual expert in the field employed by organisations to research this exact phenomena. Recently we have had several such experts come along and make these claims. To dismiss that off-hand doesn't seem particularly reasonable these days.
    - stouset 3y ago
      Nobody denies that military sensors have picked up unexplained phenomena. Does that make it evidence of little green men visiting in spacecraft? Not even close. > The interesting part of this news is that this person is not "one crank", he's an actual expert in the field employed by organisations to research this exact phenomena. And yet here we are again with this one person’s word and nothing in the way of actual evidence. At this point the earth is blanketed in radar and high definition cameras. Wake me up when there is evidence past a 240p out of focus video or something odd on an infrared sensor 100km away. I want to believe. I read every book I could find about UFOs when I was a kid. But here we are 30 years later playing out the same tired storylines over and over again.
      - BobbyJo 3y ago
        I don't see where he is claiming little green men. Is he claiming that?
        pmarreck 3y ago
        He claims we have retrieved dead bodies. Nonhuman bodies. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12165669/Military-whistleblower-says-recovered-dead-pilots-craft-non-human-origin.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12165669/Military-w... There are better sources of this than Daily Mail but I am short on time. Just google his name.

notahacker 3y ago

The most boring thing about the alien versions of the story for non Americans is its always the US military the aliens are buzzing. Perhaps the aliens are really diligent about avoiding leaving any artefacts behind in the sort of state where some mid ranking official would happily sell the evidence for the price of a new Mercedes or the military would turn up three weeks after international journalists, or the sort of state whose closely-guarded treasure chest full of alien artefacts would have been burst wide open when the government was overthrown.

BobbyJo 3y ago
UFOs are not a US only phenomenon, certainly not a US military only phenomenon. Major events have happened (or been claimed to have happened) in many other countries, including several of the most famous events (Redlesham, Westall, Ariel). There are plenty of reasons to doubt UFOs are real/interesting, but that's just not a valid criticism.
- notahacker 3y ago
  We're not talking about sightings though[1]. We're talking about secret programmes to amass collections of hugely valuable alien detritus wherever they happen to land. One of the key protagonists of this story even insists that 'retrievals of this nature are not limited to the United States' But for some reason not only have shadowy government agencies been successful at preventing alien artefacts from circulating in India, France, Zimbabwe, the former USSR and multiple regimes whose demise was much more violent than the breakup of the USSR, those states and their descendant states have actually kept a better lid on their programmes! [1]though I'm not sure your other cited sightings also involving English speakers immersed in Western culture exactly undermines the implication that its a cultural phenomenon driven by US media. But perhaps aliens can't communicate telepathically in Shona or Ndbele...
  - BobbyJo 3y ago
    Is your argument that governments have kept the secret well? That's just not true. There have been claimants from the USSR and France (you can find documents about either on theblackvault). Materials have been claimed to have been recovered by South American people, even recently. China shut down an airport due to a UFO just recently. The veracity of the above are all suspect, but the fundamental claim that this is something only Americans think about or only happens here, just doesn't reflect reality.