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> It has been since 2014 and is widely documented as such The war in the Donbas was portrayed as a civil war by Russia but was actually started by and fought l

by _kbh_ 3y ago

> It has been since 2014 and is widely documented as such The war in the Donbas was portrayed as a civil war by Russia but was actually started by and fought largely by Russian soldiers and FSB/GRU members. The former head of the DPR himself admitted this recently.

OrvalWintermute 3y ago
> The war in the Donbas was portrayed as a civil war by Russia but was actually started by and fought largely by Russian soldiers and FSB/GRU members. The former head of the DPR himself admitted this recently. Your timeline is incorrect. As someone who has spent a good amount of time in Ukraine, it is clear you are not correctly informed. The Maidan revolution, or Coup d'etat (which the US supported) in Feb of 2014 ended the presidency of Victor Yanokvych that had previously been considered more Pro-kremlin than his opponent. When the revolution happened, Victoria Nuland (US State Department) was captured with US State Dept staff playing kingmakers around which politicos would become the new president. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 In March of 2014 Ethnic Russians started capturing govt locations in Ethnic Russian territories like Luhansk and Donetsk https://web.archive.org/web/20140412131249/http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/armed-pro-russian-insurgents-in-luhansk-say-they-are-ready-for-police-raid-343167.html https://web.archive.org/web/20140412131249/http://www.kyivpo... Various ethnic Russians were killed immediately after this revolution in 2014 in places like Odessa that protested this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-o... The Ukrainian civil war between the Eastern Ukrainians supported by Russia, and the Western Ukrainians supported by the West/NATO, eventually became the Russian invasion of Ukraine around Feb 2022 after talks broke down about Ukraine's membership in NATO which Russia opposed.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Your timeline is incorrect. As someone who has spent a good amount of time in Ukraine, it is clear you are not correctly informed. Was this as a FSB or GRU officer?. > In March of 2014 Ethnic Russians started capturing govt locations in Ethnic Russian territories like Luhansk and Donetsk https://web.archive.org/web/20140412131249/http://www.kyivpo https://web.archive.org/web/20140412131249/http://www.kyivpo... Yea they were ethnic Russians because they were just Russians from Russia. > The Ukrainian civil war between the Eastern Ukrainians supported by Russia, and the Western Ukrainians supported by the West/NATO, eventually became the Russian invasion of Ukraine around Feb 2022 after talks broke down about Ukraine's membership in NATO which Russia opposed. If the Russians only supported and didn’t fight themselves why were Russian FSB and GRU officers setup as heads of the new areas?. Why didn’t Ukrainians from those areas get appointed instead?. Here’s a paper on just how involved the Russians were in Donbas, hint they didn’t support it they were directly involved. https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2917 https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article... Here’s a wiki article on the little green men (in others just Russian soldiers outside uniform). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukra...

by _kbh_ 3y ago

OrvalWintermute 3y ago

> The war in the Donbas was portrayed as a civil war by Russia but was actually started by and fought largely by Russian soldiers and FSB/GRU members. The former head of the DPR himself admitted this recently. Your timeline is incorrect. As someone who has spent a good amount of time in Ukraine, it is clear you are not correctly informed. The Maidan revolution, or Coup d'etat (which the US supported) in Feb of 2014 ended the presidency of Victor Yanokvych that had previously been considered more Pro-kremlin than his opponent. When the revolution happened, Victoria Nuland (US State Department) was captured with US State Dept staff playing kingmakers around which politicos would become the new president. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957 In March of 2014 Ethnic Russians started capturing govt locations in Ethnic Russian territories like Luhansk and Donetsk https://web.archive.org/web/20140412131249/http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/armed-pro-russian-insurgents-in-luhansk-say-they-are-ready-for-police-raid-343167.html https://web.archive.org/web/20140412131249/http://www.kyivpo... Various ethnic Russians were killed immediately after this revolution in 2014 in places like Odessa that protested this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-odessa-building-fire https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/02/ukraine-dead-o... The Ukrainian civil war between the Eastern Ukrainians supported by Russia, and the Western Ukrainians supported by the West/NATO, eventually became the Russian invasion of Ukraine around Feb 2022 after talks broke down about Ukraine's membership in NATO which Russia opposed.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> Your timeline is incorrect. As someone who has spent a good amount of time in Ukraine, it is clear you are not correctly informed. Was this as a FSB or GRU officer?. > In March of 2014 Ethnic Russians started capturing govt locations in Ethnic Russian territories like Luhansk and Donetsk https://web.archive.org/web/20140412131249/http://www.kyivpo https://web.archive.org/web/20140412131249/http://www.kyivpo... Yea they were ethnic Russians because they were just Russians from Russia. > The Ukrainian civil war between the Eastern Ukrainians supported by Russia, and the Western Ukrainians supported by the West/NATO, eventually became the Russian invasion of Ukraine around Feb 2022 after talks broke down about Ukraine's membership in NATO which Russia opposed. If the Russians only supported and didn’t fight themselves why were Russian FSB and GRU officers setup as heads of the new areas?. Why didn’t Ukrainians from those areas get appointed instead?. Here’s a paper on just how involved the Russians were in Donbas, hint they didn’t support it they were directly involved. https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2917 https://press.armywarcollege.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article... Here’s a wiki article on the little green men (in others just Russian soldiers outside uniform). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukrainian_War) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_green_men_(Russo-Ukra...