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Also it’s locked to Siri which is dogshit and falling further behind by the second. Apples speech to text is atrocious, the OpenAI tools blow it out of the wate
by TX81Z 3y ago
Also it’s locked to Siri which is dogshit and falling further behind by the second. Apples speech to text is atrocious, the OpenAI tools blow it out of the water, as does Google’s.
No matter how fancy the visuals, it’s hard to have a pseudo-hands free voice interface that doesn’t uh, work?
- macintux 3y agoIt has to be evident to Apple that Siri needs dramatic changes. They keep building hardware that needs robust voice support.
- TX81Z 3y agoI would not be so sure, mainly because of ecosystem lock. I sincerely doubt a double-digit percentage of Apple employees have touched and android phone or used OpenAI APIs. Big problem with ecosystems is you don’t know what you’re missing.
- macintux 3y agoI don’t use Android or OpenAI APIs, but I’ve been burnt frequently by Siri. You don’t have to use something better to know that it’s pretty bad.
- TX81Z 3y agoYes, but you don’t know how bad until you go from daily driving something that works and going back to garbage. I switch between iPhone and Pixel and Apple/Google products and each has a lot going for it. But leaving Assistant for Siri is downright jarring. Why Google made the shitshow that is Bard when they could have just iterated on Assistant I’ll never know. Such a solid product.
- jquery 3y agoSiri is my alarm clock and my weather report, that's about it. Siri needs a lot of help.
- bombcar 3y agoYou don’t need to even leave the ecosystem- Siri in 2023 is much worse than Siri in 2018 or so.
- TX81Z 3y agoThe regression in autocorrect is also nuts. It seems to aggressively modify grammar to the point of regularly changing the meaning of what I’m writing. It’s like a CS undergrad project where they went too hard on Markov chains.
- bombcar 3y agoIt’s absolutely horrible- it will go back and modify correct words for whatever forsaken chain it decided it wants. I hate it.
- TX81Z 3y agoI also have a fairly expansive vocabulary and talk about esoteric technical matters on my phone frequently. As far as I can tell Siri was trained on 8th-grade level text and constantly dumbs down my text and distorts the meaning.
- johncalvinyoung 3y agoUgh, so true. I'm both a software developer and an avid reader of literature & philosophy, so my day to day word stream is both extremely varied, and frequently allusive with cryptic phrases and idioms. Not to mention the fact I do actually care about correct punctuation. Autocorrect and voice typing have long since given up on me.
- bombcar 3y agoYou can help "a little bit" by adding some auto-replacements to the keyboard setup, but it doesn't work very well. It would be really nice if there was a dictionary you could add technical words to.
- jolux 3y ago> I sincerely doubt a double-digit percentage of Apple employees have touched and android phone or used OpenAI APIs I strongly doubt you're right. Apple is full of geeks; just because they tend to be tight-lipped doesn't mean they aren't paying attention to all the same stuff we are.
- TX81Z 3y agoDouble digit? I live walking distance to Apple HQ and there’s not exactly a lot of people in the shops and cafes with Android phones and you practically never see someone pulling out Google pay at a register. Whereas I’d wager more than half of Google employees use iPhone, and a lot of Google staff work exclusively on iOS and Mac apps. Apple software runs in their hardware, period. It makes them too insular and unable to see their shortcomings.
- jolux 3y agoThe question was whether they’ve touched an Android phone, not whether they use them regularly.
- kkarakk 3y agoSiri has been atrocious for going on a decade now. How much longer does it have to be terrible before we can say the people at Apple don't dogfood? Hell it was bad as a voice assistant now it's gonna get lapped by other companies releasing personalized AI assistants.
- dilap 3y agoif i understood the wwdc keynote correctly, they completely redid the text-to-speech, so this should actually be good now (maybe)
- TX81Z 3y agoYeah, but they’re so far behind even if they 10x Siri they’ve got nothing on OpenAI.
- Arn_Thor 3y agoThen again.. Siri is all on device. I don’t want to send my voice anywhere
- TX81Z 3y agoSo is Google’s version and it’s a 100x difference, but agree re OpenAI.
- vsnf 3y agoThe current voice transcription engine at OpenAI is using Whisper-1[0] which is open source and runnable locally, if you wanted to keep it all on-device. I run it locally for various things and it works pretty damn well. [0] https://github.com/openai/whisper https://github.com/openai/whisper
- Arn_Thor 3y agoI have used whisper but it seems very picky about which device it will perform well on ("well" meaning quickly)
- jsjohnst 3y ago> Siri is all on device. No it’s not. Try doing literally anything without an active internet connection and she’ll say “I’m having trouble connecting”