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The US is winning (or has won and keeps on winning) the Conquer Victory, the Diplomacy Victory, and the Culture Victory. I think that's the main means of winni
by Dalewyn 3y ago
The US is winning (or has won and keeps on winning) the Conquer Victory, the Diplomacy Victory, and the Culture Victory.
I think that's the main means of winning Civilization? Been years since I played one.
- arcticbull 3y agoLast time I got nuked by Ghandi so it's hard to say.
- cperciva 3y agoIs it that shocking that a computer game made in the USA has notions of "winning" which align with those which are dominant in American culture?
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- satvikpendem 3y agoWhat other win conditions would you add? The US is not the only country that conquers and exports culture, civilizations have been doing that since the first hunter gatherer planted some cereals on the banks of their closest river.
- cperciva 3y agoSome members of the Chinese government take the view that anyone of Chinese ancestry is fundamentally Chinese, regardless of where they live or to whom they pledge allegiance; they would presumably consider "our descendants are X% of the world population" to be as much of a victory condition as "we control X% of the world's surface area". Some members of the Russian government take the view that anyone who can speak Russian is fundamentally Russian; they would presumably consider "X% of the world population speaks Russian" to be a victory condition. Many religious groups consider "X% of the world shares our beliefs" to be a victory condition, of course. I don't share any of these positions, but of course I come from a Western Liberal background.
- satvikpendem 3y agoThe first two fit into the Culture Victory, the religion one fits into, well, the Religion Victory. The 6 types in the Civilization games are Science, Culture, Domination, Religion, Score, and Diplomacy. I don't see what else could be added.
- throwaway4aday 3y agoI can never understand the desire to pretend that human nature isn't the same around the world. I think it's the same instinct that causes people to pine for the good old days.
- tstrimple 3y agoRight. Like everyone has the same instincts as the Japanese to clean up their spaces after their are used. It’s why our stadiums in the US are so clean and well maintained.
- throwaway4aday 3y agoThat's not an instinct, it's a cultural norm strictly enforced by societal pressure. You also seem to have forgotten that the Japanese made one of the biggest plays for military dominance in the modern era. They followed that up with a really good attempt at economic dominance.
- stavros 3y agoI like how you're using a game that obviously reflects the values of the culture that created it to make the point that that culture is better. If Civilization were made in Denmark, you'd have Population Happiness Victory and that's about it.
- rozab 3y agoParadox Games are from Sweden.
- stavros 3y agoHmm, how is that relevant?
- Dalewyn 3y agoI wasn't the guy to first use the term "Civilization Earth"[1] in this thread, though. Thread framed the conversation around Civilization, I followed suit. If you have a problem, take it up with that guy. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36219608 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36219608
- accoil 3y agoMagnasanti scores very well in SimCity. I wouldn't rank it very high in cities to live...
- SanderNL 3y agoDiplomacy Victory? I’m not too sure.. Your friends are just rich, but not numerous. Most of the world hates us in various ways. Culture victory? You did come up with the book of Mormon, which I guess is some kind of achievement. Conquer Victory, now this eclipses everything. The size of US army apparatus is astounding. No doubt about that.