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Incidentally, in case it wasn't clear. For there to be a choice, the person must accept and make a decision of their own free will with sufficient knowledge an

by than3 3y ago

Incidentally, in case it wasn't clear. For there to be a choice, the person must accept and make a decision of their own free will with sufficient knowledge and without constraint such as coercive or malign influence. Very few real choices actually exist these days since corruption by dependency and outright coercion robs you of your agency and choice, in an attempt to manufacture your consent which the law deems as necessary. This occurs often without your knowledge because they don't teach this stuff in compulsory education (by design). Anytime you've simply clicked through one of those software EULAs, you've given consent but not necessarily had a choice. I hope you re-examine those paper-thin limiting beliefs you hold.

t0bia_s 3y ago
With your statement you could justify any evil. Eye for eye, teeth for teeth. This, eventually, will never ends until a last survivor. But somehow, humans still live and coexist together. They could be even nice to each other. Until someone decide otherwise. And that is a decision I tough about. Sophie's choice is made up situation by someone, who decided do serve the evil. If you don't believe in humans free will, what's to point of living for you?
- than3 3y ago
  No, fortunately you can't justify any evil. You simply stop being good. Justification lets you off the hook. There is no justification, and more importantly this isn't consequentialism, though it seems you think it is (and that can justify any evil). Falseness, and the teaching of false and limiting beliefs is one of the greater evils, and unlike many things its not just normative and thus can't be discounted as such because it results in actual loss at some point. > But somehow, human's still live and coexist together. That's purely survivor bias and our limited power to destroy each other. Organized warfare was not present until population centers outgrew their resources. Sophie's choice is a framework, and its not made up, people have used it. > If you don't believe in humans free will I never said that, I said choices are very few. That's putting words in my mouth, and we're done.
  - t0bia_s 3y ago
    > Falseness, and the teaching of false and limiting beliefs is one of the greater evils, and unlike many things its not just normative and thus can't be discounted as such because it results in actual loss at some point. We, as humans, have limited knowledge. One could teach false that truly believe in. That is why need to accept mistakes. To be able forgive each other. We need to be open for dialogue and cultivate a common language. To move on and build something valuable. Violence broke all of this and never change mind of opponent, it makes opposite. It strengthens the conviction.

by than3 3y ago

t0bia_s 3y ago

With your statement you could justify any evil. Eye for eye, teeth for teeth. This, eventually, will never ends until a last survivor. But somehow, humans still live and coexist together. They could be even nice to each other. Until someone decide otherwise. And that is a decision I tough about. Sophie's choice is made up situation by someone, who decided do serve the evil. If you don't believe in humans free will, what's to point of living for you?

than3 3y ago
No, fortunately you can't justify any evil. You simply stop being good. Justification lets you off the hook. There is no justification, and more importantly this isn't consequentialism, though it seems you think it is (and that can justify any evil). Falseness, and the teaching of false and limiting beliefs is one of the greater evils, and unlike many things its not just normative and thus can't be discounted as such because it results in actual loss at some point. > But somehow, human's still live and coexist together. That's purely survivor bias and our limited power to destroy each other. Organized warfare was not present until population centers outgrew their resources. Sophie's choice is a framework, and its not made up, people have used it. > If you don't believe in humans free will I never said that, I said choices are very few. That's putting words in my mouth, and we're done.
- t0bia_s 3y ago
  > Falseness, and the teaching of false and limiting beliefs is one of the greater evils, and unlike many things its not just normative and thus can't be discounted as such because it results in actual loss at some point. We, as humans, have limited knowledge. One could teach false that truly believe in. That is why need to accept mistakes. To be able forgive each other. We need to be open for dialogue and cultivate a common language. To move on and build something valuable. Violence broke all of this and never change mind of opponent, it makes opposite. It strengthens the conviction.