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I don't as I don't believe in vegan diets as being equivalent to carnivorous diets. I think meat should be significantly more expensive especially in the US for

I don't as I don't believe in vegan diets as being equivalent to carnivorous diets. I think meat should be significantly more expensive especially in the US for environmental reasons but I don't think humans can be healthy without animal proteins.

camel-cdr 3y ago
What do you think makes animal protein different from plant protein?
- the_doctah 3y ago
  Well, taste, first and foremost. But also probably concentration and quality.
  - camel-cdr 3y ago
    Taste is really a thing of habit. Concentration depends on what you eat, and iirc you don't need that much protein anyways, if you aren't training/body building. Tofu has about half the amount of protein per gram then ground beef, tempeh about 85%. If you really crave protein tvp has between 50 and 70% per gram (absolute, not relative to ground beef) protein depending on the brand. You still need to hydrate it and cook it properly with a good marinade, but then it can pretty easily beat ground beef or even chicken breast in protein by weight. For quality see the other reply.
- the_doctah 3y ago
  Here's what ChatGPT says Amino Acid Profile: Proteins are composed of amino acids, and the composition of amino acids can vary between animal and plant sources. Animal proteins tend to be "complete proteins" because they contain all the essential amino acids that the body cannot produce on its own. Plant proteins, on the other hand, may be "incomplete proteins" as they may lack or have lower levels of certain essential amino acids. However, by combining different plant protein sources (e.g., legumes with grains or seeds), vegans and vegetarians can achieve a complete amino acid profile. Digestibility: Animal proteins are generally more easily digested and absorbed by the body compared to plant proteins. This is primarily because animal proteins have a higher biological value, meaning they contain all the essential amino acids in the proportions needed by the human body. Plant proteins, especially those from whole food sources, may be slightly less digestible, but this can be improved by cooking, soaking, fermenting, or sprouting certain plant foods. Fat Content: Animal proteins often come with varying amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol, depending on the source. Plant proteins, on the other hand, are typically lower in saturated fats and devoid of cholesterol. Plant-based protein sources, such as legumes, tofu, tempeh, and certain nuts and seeds, can be particularly beneficial for individuals seeking lower fat and cholesterol intake. Fiber and Phytonutrients: Plant proteins are often accompanied by dietary fiber, vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients present in the whole plant foods. These components offer additional health benefits and can help support digestive health, cardiovascular health, and overall well-being. Animal proteins, particularly those from lean sources, tend to have less fiber and fewer plant-based nutrients. Health Implications: Research suggests that the source of protein, whether from animal or plant sources, can have varying effects on health outcomes. High intake of animal protein, especially from processed or red meats, has been associated with increased risks of certain diseases, such as cardiovascular disease and some cancers. Plant protein, when part of a well-balanced diet, has been linked to lower risks of chronic diseases and overall improved health outcomes.
  - camel-cdr 3y ago
    That seems to check out, with my knowlege. A quick anecdote about "combining different plant protein sources": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35917066#35918941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35917066#35918941

camel-cdr 3y ago

What do you think makes animal protein different from plant protein?

the_doctah 3y ago
Well, taste, first and foremost. But also probably concentration and quality.
- camel-cdr 3y ago
  Taste is really a thing of habit. Concentration depends on what you eat, and iirc you don't need that much protein anyways, if you aren't training/body building. Tofu has about half the amount of protein per gram then ground beef, tempeh about 85%. If you really crave protein tvp has between 50 and 70% per gram (absolute, not relative to ground beef) protein depending on the brand. You still need to hydrate it and cook it properly with a good marinade, but then it can pretty easily beat ground beef or even chicken breast in protein by weight. For quality see the other reply.
the_doctah 3y ago
Here's what ChatGPT says Amino Acid Profile: Proteins are composed of amino acids, and the composition of amino acids can vary between animal and plant sources. Animal proteins tend to be "complete proteins" because they contain all the essential amino acids that the body cannot produce on its own. Plant proteins, on the other hand, may be "incomplete proteins" as they may lack or have lower levels of certain essential amino acids. However, by combining different plant protein sources (e.g., legumes with grains or seeds), vegans and vegetarians can achieve a complete amino acid profile. Digestibility: Animal proteins are generally more easily digested and absorbed by the body compared to plant proteins. This is primarily because animal proteins have a higher biological value, meaning they contain all the essential amino acids in the proportions needed by the human body. Plant proteins, especially those from whole food sources, may be slightly less digestible, but this can be improved by cooking, soaking, fermenting, or sprouting certain plant foods. Fat Content: Animal proteins often come with varying amounts of saturated fats and cholesterol, depending on the source. Plant proteins, on the other hand, are typically lower in saturated fats and devoid of cholesterol. Plant-based protein sources, such as legumes, tofu, tempeh, and certain nuts and seeds, can be particularly beneficial for individuals seeking lower fat and cholesterol intake. Fiber and Phytonutrients: Plant proteins are often accompanied by dietary fiber, vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients present in the whole plant foods. These components offer additional health benefits and can help support digestive health, cardiovascular health, and overall well-being. Animal proteins, particularly those from lean sources, tend to have less fiber and fewer plant-based nutrients. Health Implications: Research suggests that the source of protein, whether from animal or plant sources, can have varying effects on health outcomes. High intake of animal protein, especially from processed or red meats, has been associated with increased risks of certain diseases, such as cardiovascular disease and some cancers. Plant protein, when part of a well-balanced diet, has been linked to lower risks of chronic diseases and overall improved health outcomes.
- camel-cdr 3y ago
  That seems to check out, with my knowlege. A quick anecdote about "combining different plant protein sources": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35917066#35918941 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35917066#35918941