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> NSFW content will be removed from the API entirely Wow. I didn't know about that. That would prevent browsing /r/cigars via API calls. Because every post in

> NSFW content will be removed from the API entirely Wow. I didn't know about that. That would prevent browsing /r/cigars via API calls. Because every post in /r/cigars is marked as NSFW. Why? I'll give you one guess. https://old.reddit.com/r/cigars/comments/ubu6b2/why_is_rcigars_marked_nsfw/ https://old.reddit.com/r/cigars/comments/ubu6b2/why_is_rciga...

masklinn 3y ago
> Wow. I didn't know about that. According to the Apollo dev's recounting of the call this is "sexually explicit content only, not normal posts marked NSFW for non-sexual reasons". I assume there's a flag at the subreddit level or something, because Narwhal doesn't show the "cheeky narwhal" on /r/cigars (something it does on NSFW subs). I don't know how they'll handle SFW subreddits where NSFW is used for both spoilers and dodgy content though. That's assuming they even care.
elil17 3y ago
It is really strange which drug-related subs are NSFW and which aren't. Like why not alcohol related subs? I think they probably all should be marked NSFW but it is weird.
- burntsushi 3y ago
  None of them should be IMO. It's dumb. "I smoked a lovely cigar over the weekend" is fine safe-for-work chit chat.
  - esperent 3y ago
    The problem is labelling, in that case. It should be NSFM (not safe for minors) as that's what it really means, but the NSFW label caught on and we're stuck with it now. The obvious suggestion is multiple tags (drugs, sex, violence, gore etc.). But actually that's a really bad idea because it's a slippery slope of censorship - each flavor of the month bad thing gets banned over a decade or so until there's nothing left to ban.
    - burntsushi 3y ago
      Of course it's safe for minors. My son is a minor and he's seen me smoking a cigar on multiple occasions. As far as I can tell, nothing about his safety has been compromised. Respectfully, I think you've lost the plot here. The problem isn't labeling. The problem is overreaching in the first place. And the problem is an inconsistent application of that labeling.
      - elil17 3y ago
        Exposure to tobacco consumption drives tobacco consumption: -Children of tobacco users are more likely to be tobacco users (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5084564/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5084564/) -People who watch TV/movies with characters who use tobacco are more likely to be tobacco users (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2770193/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2770193/) -People who are friends with tobacco users are more likely to be tobacco users (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691293/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691293/) -People who see tobacco use on social media are more likely to be tobacco users and, critically, have an increased susceptibility to tobacco even if they are non-users (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35816331/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35816331/) The reality is that tobacco use disorder is a socially transmitted disease, and one of the best ways to prevent it's spread is to protect people from viewing tobacco use. By making it so that you have to opt-in to seeing posts about tobacco on their platform, Reddit is helping people avoid tobacco-related content.
        burntsushi 3y ago
        That doesn't make r/cigars "not safe for work." It also doesn't make it "not safe for minors." It makes it "something that reddit admins want to force users to opt into seeing." You're also really really really missing the broader point here. By what metric should something on reddit be "opt in"? There are some things that are obvious that we all tend to agree in, and those fall into the useful mental model of "would you look at this at work?" But r/cigars does not fit into that model, yet it is still labeled as such. That means there is some other model being used to force users to opt into "sensitive" content. So what the fuck is it and why doesn't it apply to marijuana? Or fast food? Or one of a number of other unhealthy things for you? And how many of your links apply to cigars? When was the last time you saw a 15 year old smoking a Padron? Fucking never buddy. It's a non-issue. It might play if it were cigarettes or some other trendy thing, but that's not the case here.
- axelthegerman 3y ago
  I think some people are mixing age control with what is "not safe for work". Everyone I work with is old enough to drink or smoke, so posting about cigars or beers could be appropriate but also could not be. Tldr NSFW != age controls
- austhrow743 3y ago
  In a general office context people can talk about going wine tasting the previous weekend.
- PhasmaFelis 3y ago
  Not Safe For Work means "reasonably likely to offend your boss/coworker." Nothing more, nothing less. It's not a value judgment. People get super weird about this. Like, "this is an artistic nude, how dare you condemn it as NSFW."

masklinn 3y ago

> Wow. I didn't know about that. According to the Apollo dev's recounting of the call this is "sexually explicit content only, not normal posts marked NSFW for non-sexual reasons". I assume there's a flag at the subreddit level or something, because Narwhal doesn't show the "cheeky narwhal" on /r/cigars (something it does on NSFW subs). I don't know how they'll handle SFW subreddits where NSFW is used for both spoilers and dodgy content though. That's assuming they even care.

elil17 3y ago

It is really strange which drug-related subs are NSFW and which aren't. Like why not alcohol related subs? I think they probably all should be marked NSFW but it is weird.

burntsushi 3y ago
None of them should be IMO. It's dumb. "I smoked a lovely cigar over the weekend" is fine safe-for-work chit chat.
- esperent 3y ago
  The problem is labelling, in that case. It should be NSFM (not safe for minors) as that's what it really means, but the NSFW label caught on and we're stuck with it now. The obvious suggestion is multiple tags (drugs, sex, violence, gore etc.). But actually that's a really bad idea because it's a slippery slope of censorship - each flavor of the month bad thing gets banned over a decade or so until there's nothing left to ban.
  - burntsushi 3y ago
    Of course it's safe for minors. My son is a minor and he's seen me smoking a cigar on multiple occasions. As far as I can tell, nothing about his safety has been compromised. Respectfully, I think you've lost the plot here. The problem isn't labeling. The problem is overreaching in the first place. And the problem is an inconsistent application of that labeling.
    - elil17 3y ago
      Exposure to tobacco consumption drives tobacco consumption: -Children of tobacco users are more likely to be tobacco users (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5084564/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5084564/) -People who watch TV/movies with characters who use tobacco are more likely to be tobacco users (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2770193/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2770193/) -People who are friends with tobacco users are more likely to be tobacco users (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691293/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691293/) -People who see tobacco use on social media are more likely to be tobacco users and, critically, have an increased susceptibility to tobacco even if they are non-users (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35816331/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35816331/) The reality is that tobacco use disorder is a socially transmitted disease, and one of the best ways to prevent it's spread is to protect people from viewing tobacco use. By making it so that you have to opt-in to seeing posts about tobacco on their platform, Reddit is helping people avoid tobacco-related content.
      - burntsushi 3y ago
        That doesn't make r/cigars "not safe for work." It also doesn't make it "not safe for minors." It makes it "something that reddit admins want to force users to opt into seeing." You're also really really really missing the broader point here. By what metric should something on reddit be "opt in"? There are some things that are obvious that we all tend to agree in, and those fall into the useful mental model of "would you look at this at work?" But r/cigars does not fit into that model, yet it is still labeled as such. That means there is some other model being used to force users to opt into "sensitive" content. So what the fuck is it and why doesn't it apply to marijuana? Or fast food? Or one of a number of other unhealthy things for you? And how many of your links apply to cigars? When was the last time you saw a 15 year old smoking a Padron? Fucking never buddy. It's a non-issue. It might play if it were cigarettes or some other trendy thing, but that's not the case here.
axelthegerman 3y ago
I think some people are mixing age control with what is "not safe for work". Everyone I work with is old enough to drink or smoke, so posting about cigars or beers could be appropriate but also could not be. Tldr NSFW != age controls
austhrow743 3y ago
In a general office context people can talk about going wine tasting the previous weekend.
PhasmaFelis 3y ago
Not Safe For Work means "reasonably likely to offend your boss/coworker." Nothing more, nothing less. It's not a value judgment. People get super weird about this. Like, "this is an artistic nude, how dare you condemn it as NSFW."