3 ms·

Keep in mind that at least in a lot of places, the servers are the ones packaging your food. Those are the people who depend on tips and while they're putting y

Keep in mind that at least in a lot of places, the servers are the ones packaging your food. Those are the people who depend on tips and while they're putting your food in containers they aren't serving tables, so they are likely missing out on tips there.

int0x2e 3y ago
Then they should demand higher wages. And if that's too high a cost for the restaurant - they should raise their prices or close their business. Tipping does not make sense, and makes even less sense for takeout.
twixfel 3y ago
So you mean they're doing their job?
master-lincoln 3y ago
What about the people working in the kitchen or the cleaning staff? They usually don't get tips, but do they get better loans than servers?
JohnFen 3y ago
Check out my other comments here. I'm very aware of this. But on the other hand, a line has to be drawn somewhere.
Someone1234 3y ago
They should definitely raise that with management, and it should be appropriately compensated. See what I did there? I correctly made it a problem between the staff and management, rather than making it the customer's problem. This is actually the answer to all tipping/under-compensation problems.
- kevin42 3y ago
  At the macro level, I'm not advocating for tips at all. I think it's a bad system. But the reality is a lot of people rely on those jobs and have very little bargaining power as individuals. Most don't have the luxury of refusing a job, unlike the highly in demand people here. I don't think it's my place to deny those people income they depend on out of a principal. It'll hurt the little guy and make very little if any difference to the big companies.
  - Clubber 3y ago
    If you asked just about any waiter if they would forego the tip system + reduced minimum wage for straight minimum wage, they will tell you no, because they'd make less money.
    - hotpotamus 3y ago
      If a waiter can only make minimum wage then perhaps their labor would be more productive elsewhere. I've never felt like the job of picking up a plate from the kitchen and putting it on a table was all that useful, but I also get that there's more going on in a restaurant; making proles perform for money obviously confers some status on the payer.
- schwartzworld 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - seneca 3y ago
    > An extraordinarily privileged and tone-deaf response. Well done. Responses like this degrade this community. Ad hominems add nothing to the conversation.
    - schwartzworld 3y ago
      Where is the ad hominem? It is privileged, because most of the people here aren't relying on jobs like this. Most of us are knowledge workers or professionals who DO have the clout to demand more money. This is something you can't do if you're a busboy or waiter. Maybe if all the busboys in America got together or something... Food service workers are effectively disposable in most restaurants. And it is tone deaf. You're talking about an industry rife with worker abuses and wage theft. It's ok to be against mandatory tipping. Pretending the solution to workers not getting paid is as simple as "they should take it up with management" is ridiculous. Real "let them eat cake" energy. Penalizing individual workers who rely on tips is not brave or effective.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]

int0x2e 3y ago

Then they should demand higher wages. And if that's too high a cost for the restaurant - they should raise their prices or close their business. Tipping does not make sense, and makes even less sense for takeout.

twixfel 3y ago

So you mean they're doing their job?

master-lincoln 3y ago

What about the people working in the kitchen or the cleaning staff? They usually don't get tips, but do they get better loans than servers?

JohnFen 3y ago

Check out my other comments here. I'm very aware of this. But on the other hand, a line has to be drawn somewhere.

Someone1234 3y ago

They should definitely raise that with management, and it should be appropriately compensated. See what I did there? I correctly made it a problem between the staff and management, rather than making it the customer's problem. This is actually the answer to all tipping/under-compensation problems.

kevin42 3y ago
At the macro level, I'm not advocating for tips at all. I think it's a bad system. But the reality is a lot of people rely on those jobs and have very little bargaining power as individuals. Most don't have the luxury of refusing a job, unlike the highly in demand people here. I don't think it's my place to deny those people income they depend on out of a principal. It'll hurt the little guy and make very little if any difference to the big companies.
- Clubber 3y ago
  If you asked just about any waiter if they would forego the tip system + reduced minimum wage for straight minimum wage, they will tell you no, because they'd make less money.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    If a waiter can only make minimum wage then perhaps their labor would be more productive elsewhere. I've never felt like the job of picking up a plate from the kitchen and putting it on a table was all that useful, but I also get that there's more going on in a restaurant; making proles perform for money obviously confers some status on the payer.
schwartzworld 3y ago
[flagged]
- seneca 3y ago
  > An extraordinarily privileged and tone-deaf response. Well done. Responses like this degrade this community. Ad hominems add nothing to the conversation.
  - schwartzworld 3y ago
    Where is the ad hominem? It is privileged, because most of the people here aren't relying on jobs like this. Most of us are knowledge workers or professionals who DO have the clout to demand more money. This is something you can't do if you're a busboy or waiter. Maybe if all the busboys in America got together or something... Food service workers are effectively disposable in most restaurants. And it is tone deaf. You're talking about an industry rife with worker abuses and wage theft. It's ok to be against mandatory tipping. Pretending the solution to workers not getting paid is as simple as "they should take it up with management" is ridiculous. Real "let them eat cake" energy. Penalizing individual workers who rely on tips is not brave or effective.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]