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I've seen this a lot lately. I never personally experience this guilt, but understandably a lot of people do when publicly presented with this choice. I'm not s

I've seen this a lot lately. I never personally experience this guilt, but understandably a lot of people do when publicly presented with this choice. I'm not sure what the solution is, but the companies producing and providing these point of sale tablets have made it far too easy to request a tip in situations that have no business asking for a tip. I suspect that the option exists to disable it, but then we have a problem of defaults situation and only the most respectable business owner is ever going to consider losing revenue to make their customers feel better. At any rate. No service, no tip. For me this means I near exclusively tip only at restaurants which I'd still prefer raises their prices and got rid of tipping culture.

Symbiote 3y ago
It's certainly configurable, and the business manager/owner will have configured the tip options and set the percentages. https://stripe.com/docs/terminal/features/collecting-tips/on-reader https://stripe.com/docs/terminal/features/collecting-tips/on...
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Which means that the business owners are implementing this to help cover their costs, rather than being honest and raising their prices. Screw them. Yes, this makes me mad. I always get mad when I'm being emotionally manipulated in order to extract more money from me.
chpatrick 3y ago
I think at this point some legislation needs to be made, otherwise every place that turns this "feature" off on their terminal will be at a disadvantage.
soperj 3y ago
> in situations that have no business asking for a tip In my mind there's always only been 2 situations, tip everywhere or tip nowhere. Why tip your server who has really very few interactions with you, but not tip any other customer service worker? Most get paid far less than what a server ends up making.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Jobs that are customarily tipped (I'm thinking food service) have a lower minimum wage they're required to pay than other sorts of jobs. In those cases, the business owner is literally demanding that the customers subsidize their employee's wages. I'll tip for those things because if I don't, it actively harms those employees. I'm 100% being extorted by the business, and I resent it greatly, but what else can I do (besides never going back).
  - toast0 3y ago
    > Jobs that are customarily tipped (I'm thinking food service) have a lower minimum wage they're required to pay than other sorts of jobs. In those cases, the business owner is literally demanding that the customers subsidize their employee's wages. Tipped employees certainly have a lower federal minimum wage, although the employer is required to pay more if the minimum cash wage + tips doesn't hit the minimum for nontipped employees. It's specified as the minimim wage is $X and the employer can take a tip credit of up to $Y, if tips happen. If somehow tipping stopped universally, employers would simply need to pay full minimum wage. Additionally, in many states, minimum wage is the same for tipped and non-tipped employees.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      True, I forgot about this. So I can just stop tipping everywhere with a clean conscience!
      - toast0 3y ago
        I mean, I dunno about a clean conscience, but you don't need to worry that they won't get minimum wage. Depending on your tip amount, it's still a big change to effective hourly wage.
  - soperj 3y ago
    That's not true for where I live and yet people still tip wait staff & minimum wage is over $16 an hour here.

Symbiote 3y ago

It's certainly configurable, and the business manager/owner will have configured the tip options and set the percentages. https://stripe.com/docs/terminal/features/collecting-tips/on-reader https://stripe.com/docs/terminal/features/collecting-tips/on...

JohnFen 3y ago
Which means that the business owners are implementing this to help cover their costs, rather than being honest and raising their prices. Screw them. Yes, this makes me mad. I always get mad when I'm being emotionally manipulated in order to extract more money from me.

chpatrick 3y ago

I think at this point some legislation needs to be made, otherwise every place that turns this "feature" off on their terminal will be at a disadvantage.

soperj 3y ago

> in situations that have no business asking for a tip In my mind there's always only been 2 situations, tip everywhere or tip nowhere. Why tip your server who has really very few interactions with you, but not tip any other customer service worker? Most get paid far less than what a server ends up making.

JohnFen 3y ago
Jobs that are customarily tipped (I'm thinking food service) have a lower minimum wage they're required to pay than other sorts of jobs. In those cases, the business owner is literally demanding that the customers subsidize their employee's wages. I'll tip for those things because if I don't, it actively harms those employees. I'm 100% being extorted by the business, and I resent it greatly, but what else can I do (besides never going back).
- toast0 3y ago
  > Jobs that are customarily tipped (I'm thinking food service) have a lower minimum wage they're required to pay than other sorts of jobs. In those cases, the business owner is literally demanding that the customers subsidize their employee's wages. Tipped employees certainly have a lower federal minimum wage, although the employer is required to pay more if the minimum cash wage + tips doesn't hit the minimum for nontipped employees. It's specified as the minimim wage is $X and the employer can take a tip credit of up to $Y, if tips happen. If somehow tipping stopped universally, employers would simply need to pay full minimum wage. Additionally, in many states, minimum wage is the same for tipped and non-tipped employees.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    True, I forgot about this. So I can just stop tipping everywhere with a clean conscience!
    - toast0 3y ago
      I mean, I dunno about a clean conscience, but you don't need to worry that they won't get minimum wage. Depending on your tip amount, it's still a big change to effective hourly wage.
- soperj 3y ago
  That's not true for where I live and yet people still tip wait staff & minimum wage is over $16 an hour here.