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> The issue with LATAM is corruption, intertwined with mediocrity. This won't ever change. There's absolutely nothing mediocre about how Mexico has developed t

> The issue with LATAM is corruption, intertwined with mediocrity. This won't ever change. There's absolutely nothing mediocre about how Mexico has developed their economy in spite of the absolutely absurd geographical logistics problems that they're faced with. LATAM is filled with ingenuity. The talent pool is strong, but opportunities are few. -- because see previously mentioned issues in my first post.

moralestapia 3y ago
>There's absolutely nothing mediocre about how Mexico has developed their economy LOL, what? Do you speak from experience? Because I do. Watch this [1], that's the mentality of the average individual who has enough interest into science and tech to attend an astronomy congress. You're looking at the top of the distribution, it's downwards from there. >in spite of the absolutely absurd geographical logistics problems that they're faced with Ok, you may be just trolling right now. Mexico has amazing geographical and logistical advantages: * 3,000+ kms of border with the largest economy in the world, plenty of goods that go from/to the US, go through Mexico * Access to both the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans * 14th largest country by area, the vast majority of land is (or could be at least) productive * Great weather the whole year, fresh water and rain * Not hit by natural disasters as much as other places in the world What are you talking about? 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAwiyS5aTcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAwiyS5aTcU
- busterarm 3y ago
  I'm talking about the difficulty of distribution _within_ the country. Where shipping from city A to city B might mean crossing multiple mountain ranges. These obstacles are also obstacles to maintaining a stable government. Historically Mexico's economy has been fairly isolated and government has been fairly unstable. This has an enormously negative economic impact. You're looking at things with privileged glasses and ignoring all of the difficulties overcome for Mexico to get where it is today.
  - moralestapia 3y ago
    >Where shipping from city A to city B might mean crossing multiple mountain ranges. Like in ... many other places in the world? Also, you're factually incorrect, major highways cross the country through fairly straight and smooth paths. >Historically Mexico's economy has been fairly isolated From whom? Like from ... the world? #8 most visited country in the world and #14 global economy might suggest otherwise. >and government has been fairly unstable That's not geographical in nature, you're moving the goalpost.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Like in ... many other places in the world Most places in the world aren’t prime investment destinations. > That's not geographical in nature, you're moving the goalpost Limited agricultural potential, no navigable rivers, expensive-to-traverse mountains and isolated coastal communities. This is a very difficult tract to govern. Mexico has a singular, massive advantage: proximity to America. With her navigable rivers, littoral waters and massive plains-based agricultural sectors. That, and its oil and mineral production, keep the central government powerful enough to project influence sufficiently to maintain stability.
      - moralestapia 3y ago
        >proximity to America Mexico is in America, grab a map.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Mexico is in America, grab a map Which makes the intended meaning obvious. ("America" refers to either or both continents of the Americas, as well as to the United States; grab a dictionary.)
- sofixa 3y ago
  > * Not hit by natural disasters as much as other places in the world Except for the highly volatile sinking capital that has been hit by numerous serious earthquakes. And of course, you're missing the biggest problem - taking a look at a topograhic map of Mexico will show that the terrain is horrible for internal communications. That's a significant handicap Mexico has had to struggle since being a Spanish colony, and it hasn't helped in the various independence and revolutionary movements.
  - moralestapia 3y ago
    >That's a significant handicap Mexico has had to struggle since being a Spanish colony, and it hasn't helped in the various independence and revolutionary movements. Please let me LOL again at the arguments you people are making. I grew up in Mexico and being a Spanish colony 400 years ago, plus the independence and revolutionary movements you mention have had absolutely zero impact on my everyday life in the 21st century. Excuses have an expiration date.
    - sofixa 3y ago
      So the geography didn't matter in the slightest for the evolution of Mexican political, military and economic history? The federalism isn't due to the impossibility for a central government to exert any sort of real control? How long does it take by train to move goods from the main Pacific to the main Atlantic port (oh, btw how many big natural harbours are there in Mexico?)? How long from agricultural lands or where industry is located? To pretend like the geography of Mexico hasn't had any impact in it's political or economic development would be missing a decent part of the big picture.
      - moralestapia 3y ago
        >So the geography didn't matter in the slightest for the evolution of Mexican political, military and economic history? I never argued this so I won't bite. The geography of Mexico is, if anything, privileged compared to what you find in other parts of the world. The country does not freeze completely every six months, for starters. Logistically, it's pretty much in the center of a whole continent, hard to top that.

moralestapia 3y ago

>There's absolutely nothing mediocre about how Mexico has developed their economy LOL, what? Do you speak from experience? Because I do. Watch this [1], that's the mentality of the average individual who has enough interest into science and tech to attend an astronomy congress. You're looking at the top of the distribution, it's downwards from there. >in spite of the absolutely absurd geographical logistics problems that they're faced with Ok, you may be just trolling right now. Mexico has amazing geographical and logistical advantages: * 3,000+ kms of border with the largest economy in the world, plenty of goods that go from/to the US, go through Mexico * Access to both the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans * 14th largest country by area, the vast majority of land is (or could be at least) productive * Great weather the whole year, fresh water and rain * Not hit by natural disasters as much as other places in the world What are you talking about? 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAwiyS5aTcU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAwiyS5aTcU

busterarm 3y ago
I'm talking about the difficulty of distribution _within_ the country. Where shipping from city A to city B might mean crossing multiple mountain ranges. These obstacles are also obstacles to maintaining a stable government. Historically Mexico's economy has been fairly isolated and government has been fairly unstable. This has an enormously negative economic impact. You're looking at things with privileged glasses and ignoring all of the difficulties overcome for Mexico to get where it is today.
- moralestapia 3y ago
  >Where shipping from city A to city B might mean crossing multiple mountain ranges. Like in ... many other places in the world? Also, you're factually incorrect, major highways cross the country through fairly straight and smooth paths. >Historically Mexico's economy has been fairly isolated From whom? Like from ... the world? #8 most visited country in the world and #14 global economy might suggest otherwise. >and government has been fairly unstable That's not geographical in nature, you're moving the goalpost.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Like in ... many other places in the world Most places in the world aren’t prime investment destinations. > That's not geographical in nature, you're moving the goalpost Limited agricultural potential, no navigable rivers, expensive-to-traverse mountains and isolated coastal communities. This is a very difficult tract to govern. Mexico has a singular, massive advantage: proximity to America. With her navigable rivers, littoral waters and massive plains-based agricultural sectors. That, and its oil and mineral production, keep the central government powerful enough to project influence sufficiently to maintain stability.
    - moralestapia 3y ago
      >proximity to America Mexico is in America, grab a map.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Mexico is in America, grab a map Which makes the intended meaning obvious. ("America" refers to either or both continents of the Americas, as well as to the United States; grab a dictionary.)
sofixa 3y ago
> * Not hit by natural disasters as much as other places in the world Except for the highly volatile sinking capital that has been hit by numerous serious earthquakes. And of course, you're missing the biggest problem - taking a look at a topograhic map of Mexico will show that the terrain is horrible for internal communications. That's a significant handicap Mexico has had to struggle since being a Spanish colony, and it hasn't helped in the various independence and revolutionary movements.
- moralestapia 3y ago
  >That's a significant handicap Mexico has had to struggle since being a Spanish colony, and it hasn't helped in the various independence and revolutionary movements. Please let me LOL again at the arguments you people are making. I grew up in Mexico and being a Spanish colony 400 years ago, plus the independence and revolutionary movements you mention have had absolutely zero impact on my everyday life in the 21st century. Excuses have an expiration date.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    So the geography didn't matter in the slightest for the evolution of Mexican political, military and economic history? The federalism isn't due to the impossibility for a central government to exert any sort of real control? How long does it take by train to move goods from the main Pacific to the main Atlantic port (oh, btw how many big natural harbours are there in Mexico?)? How long from agricultural lands or where industry is located? To pretend like the geography of Mexico hasn't had any impact in it's political or economic development would be missing a decent part of the big picture.
    - moralestapia 3y ago
      >So the geography didn't matter in the slightest for the evolution of Mexican political, military and economic history? I never argued this so I won't bite. The geography of Mexico is, if anything, privileged compared to what you find in other parts of the world. The country does not freeze completely every six months, for starters. Logistically, it's pretty much in the center of a whole continent, hard to top that.