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> I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS This. The volu

by fallat 3y ago

> I just don't think that it makes up for depending on a small team of volunteers to resolve all hardware issues in an ecosystem hostile to OSS This. The volunteer pool is too small. And you're supporting a shitty company.

simonh 3y ago
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throwaway894345 3y ago
I would like to see the volunteer pool grow, but I suspect a lot of things in the Linux kernel are maintained by a small pool of volunteers--it's not like all volunteers (or paid developers) work across the whole kernel, after all. Also, which are the virtuous hardware companies and what's stopping them from making compelling products? And since I'm already a Mac user, I've already supported this evil company, so what does it matter if I change out the operating system?
- fallat 3y ago
  Not sure why you're fixated on the whole Linux kernel - we're talking about a small pool of volunteers supporting complex modules. There are good laptops out there other than Macs... Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc all have offerings which are supported out of the box by Linux because they aren't using their own hardware or do contribute the necessary code to run FOSS OSs. I'm not asking you to now dump your Mac. That'd be silly. Continue to use your Mac with Asahi, just don't complain if Apple decides to break anything at any time, and expect it. Know that what you type on now is already planned for obsolescence and most likely has intentional design flaws as shown again and again by people like Louis Rossmann. When your Mac dies, I am asking you to not buy Apple for your next laptop. That's all that can be reasonably asked.
  - hedora 3y ago
    > There are good laptops out there other than Macs... Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc all have offerings which are supported out of the box by Linux because they aren't using their own hardware or do contribute the necessary code to run FOSS OSs. For the love of all that is holy, name one model that has the following properties: - 6 hours real life battery doing C++ development work. - 7+ days suspend battery life - 99.99% success rate resuming from suspend under linux (~ 1 kernel panic per year is OK) - Centered keyboard and trackpad - >> 1080p screen - bluetooth, wifi, webcam, etc, etc, all work reliably (~ 1 device "need to reboot" failure across all categories, per year) - un-noticable fan - less than 10% permanent hardware failure rate per year None of the last ~ $10K worth of intel machines I've used (including high end macs, linux and windows machines) met the above criteria. My M2 macbook actually ticks all the boxes. However, I really, really, dislike MacOS.
    - dmitrygr 3y ago
      Installing "uBar" fixed a lot of my beef with MacOS. (I get no referral bonus, just a happy user)
    - ced 3y ago
      To be clear, is this a description of your experience with Asahi Linux?
      - hedora 3y ago
        No; with MacOS running an Ubuntu Multipass VM. :-(
    - fallat 3y ago
      My thinkpad does all those things... I expected really something crazier as a rebuttal. It sounds like you may have bought bad products and then bought a Mac when they had those specs and were happy then...
      - throwaway894345 3y ago
        Really? My 2016 ThinkPad Carbon hasn’t been able to run off of a charger since ~2019.
    - kitsunesoba 3y ago
      I wish more manufacturers worked harder to keep fan noise down to between none and barely audible without severely throttling the CPU and GPU or toasting your lap. My laptop shouldn't be spinning up its fan just because I plugged in something as pedestrian as a 2560x1440 60hz monitor (as my ThinkPad X1 Nano likes to).
    - kiwijamo 3y ago
      I've managed to tick all your boxes on not one but two Lenovo ThinkPads. Ironically I've had trouble with suspend on my previous work Mac laptop running macOS. Also issues with WiFi on the same Mac laptop not present on other devices. Every single hardware failure within warranty I've had on both personal and work laptops have been Apple - LCD, battery, mainboard, dvd drive, just to name a few. Yet all the others I've owned have done their three year duty without fail. Very much a case of YMMV.

by fallat 3y ago

simonh 3y ago

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throwaway894345 3y ago

I would like to see the volunteer pool grow, but I suspect a lot of things in the Linux kernel are maintained by a small pool of volunteers--it's not like all volunteers (or paid developers) work across the whole kernel, after all. Also, which are the virtuous hardware companies and what's stopping them from making compelling products? And since I'm already a Mac user, I've already supported this evil company, so what does it matter if I change out the operating system?

fallat 3y ago
Not sure why you're fixated on the whole Linux kernel - we're talking about a small pool of volunteers supporting complex modules. There are good laptops out there other than Macs... Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc all have offerings which are supported out of the box by Linux because they aren't using their own hardware or do contribute the necessary code to run FOSS OSs. I'm not asking you to now dump your Mac. That'd be silly. Continue to use your Mac with Asahi, just don't complain if Apple decides to break anything at any time, and expect it. Know that what you type on now is already planned for obsolescence and most likely has intentional design flaws as shown again and again by people like Louis Rossmann. When your Mac dies, I am asking you to not buy Apple for your next laptop. That's all that can be reasonably asked.
- hedora 3y ago
  > There are good laptops out there other than Macs... Lenovo, HP, Dell, etc all have offerings which are supported out of the box by Linux because they aren't using their own hardware or do contribute the necessary code to run FOSS OSs. For the love of all that is holy, name one model that has the following properties: - 6 hours real life battery doing C++ development work. - 7+ days suspend battery life - 99.99% success rate resuming from suspend under linux (~ 1 kernel panic per year is OK) - Centered keyboard and trackpad - >> 1080p screen - bluetooth, wifi, webcam, etc, etc, all work reliably (~ 1 device "need to reboot" failure across all categories, per year) - un-noticable fan - less than 10% permanent hardware failure rate per year None of the last ~ $10K worth of intel machines I've used (including high end macs, linux and windows machines) met the above criteria. My M2 macbook actually ticks all the boxes. However, I really, really, dislike MacOS.
  - dmitrygr 3y ago
    Installing "uBar" fixed a lot of my beef with MacOS. (I get no referral bonus, just a happy user)
  - ced 3y ago
    To be clear, is this a description of your experience with Asahi Linux?
    - hedora 3y ago
      No; with MacOS running an Ubuntu Multipass VM. :-(
  - fallat 3y ago
    My thinkpad does all those things... I expected really something crazier as a rebuttal. It sounds like you may have bought bad products and then bought a Mac when they had those specs and were happy then...
    - throwaway894345 3y ago
      Really? My 2016 ThinkPad Carbon hasn’t been able to run off of a charger since ~2019.
  - kitsunesoba 3y ago
    I wish more manufacturers worked harder to keep fan noise down to between none and barely audible without severely throttling the CPU and GPU or toasting your lap. My laptop shouldn't be spinning up its fan just because I plugged in something as pedestrian as a 2560x1440 60hz monitor (as my ThinkPad X1 Nano likes to).
  - kiwijamo 3y ago
    I've managed to tick all your boxes on not one but two Lenovo ThinkPads. Ironically I've had trouble with suspend on my previous work Mac laptop running macOS. Also issues with WiFi on the same Mac laptop not present on other devices. Every single hardware failure within warranty I've had on both personal and work laptops have been Apple - LCD, battery, mainboard, dvd drive, just to name a few. Yet all the others I've owned have done their three year duty without fail. Very much a case of YMMV.