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Yes, it would be like a married man asking his wife for a list of things that count as cheating so that he can be sure to avoid doing anything she wouldn't appr

Yes, it would be like a married man asking his wife for a list of things that count as cheating so that he can be sure to avoid doing anything she wouldn't approve of. Very few women would respond, "here is the list, if I forgot anything it is totally my fault and not your fault for doing something that is technically not on the list"

CPLX 3y ago
That metaphor is a start. More accurately it would be like a married man asking his wife for a list of things that count as cheating while openly fucking prostitutes and fathering multiple children and bragging about it.
smsm42 3y ago
Except that marriage is a voluntary relationship of mutual cooperation and trust. Regulation is an involuntary relationship of coercion and enforcement. The least the coerced party may as for is to know what it is going to be punished for, what are the rules of the game. And if us, and always have been, the "fault" of the legislature and law enforcement if somebody does something lawful but they didn't like it. That's how law works in a legal culture we used to have - whatever is "technically" on the list, is not legal, all the rest is legal, and ghe burden oc proof is on the state. You would not like the alternative.
- gitfan86 3y ago
  Except the USA is a democracy. If a Orange reality tv star can be elected president, a crypto person could be as well. But most people don't want "code is law".
  - smsm42 3y ago
    I guess this is a five-star effort in the category of "make any discussion about Trump because I can't talk about anything else". Any on topic comments to follow?
    - gitfan86 3y ago
      No, this is the same point I've been making since 2010. Having libertarian ideas like "code is law" and "money should be decentralized and permissionless" sound nice in theory, but in the real world they don't work very well. You are seeing this now with the fact that we have not elected anti-regulation people over the past 13 years. And people have preferred to stay with more traditional financial products. So crypto isn't working out in the real world.
      - smsm42 3y ago
        Well, if US regulators can destroy any company in crypto space in a couple of days, and are willing to do so, then it's hard for it to "work out in a real world". If the regulations are "just don't do anything bad, and we'll tell you what's bad after you do it and invest billions in it" then it's hard for it to "work out". If the users are asked to invest into assets that can be wiped out of existence by regulators at any minute, then it's hard for it to "work out".
        gitfan86 3y ago
        Yes, the government is part of the real world. If you created a nuclear power plant in your basement that you feel is totally safe, that is great, but a good chunk of the rest of the country wouldn't be comfortable with that and they would expect the government to shut down your nuclear power plant. You could disagree with them and the government, but it wouldn't work out well for you to invest all your money into your basement nuclear reactor.
        smsm42 3y ago
        That would not mean "nuclear power does not work". That would mean "people do not want it, whether it works or not". Except here it's not "the rest of the country" but a bunch of unelected bureaucrats which 99% of the country doesn't even know exist, and certainly didn't ask them to do anything. You started with claiming it "does not work", but ended with "it's bad investment because the government would destroy you". These are wildly different claims.

CPLX 3y ago

That metaphor is a start. More accurately it would be like a married man asking his wife for a list of things that count as cheating while openly fucking prostitutes and fathering multiple children and bragging about it.

smsm42 3y ago

Except that marriage is a voluntary relationship of mutual cooperation and trust. Regulation is an involuntary relationship of coercion and enforcement. The least the coerced party may as for is to know what it is going to be punished for, what are the rules of the game. And if us, and always have been, the "fault" of the legislature and law enforcement if somebody does something lawful but they didn't like it. That's how law works in a legal culture we used to have - whatever is "technically" on the list, is not legal, all the rest is legal, and ghe burden oc proof is on the state. You would not like the alternative.

gitfan86 3y ago
Except the USA is a democracy. If a Orange reality tv star can be elected president, a crypto person could be as well. But most people don't want "code is law".
- smsm42 3y ago
  I guess this is a five-star effort in the category of "make any discussion about Trump because I can't talk about anything else". Any on topic comments to follow?
  - gitfan86 3y ago
    No, this is the same point I've been making since 2010. Having libertarian ideas like "code is law" and "money should be decentralized and permissionless" sound nice in theory, but in the real world they don't work very well. You are seeing this now with the fact that we have not elected anti-regulation people over the past 13 years. And people have preferred to stay with more traditional financial products. So crypto isn't working out in the real world.
    - smsm42 3y ago
      Well, if US regulators can destroy any company in crypto space in a couple of days, and are willing to do so, then it's hard for it to "work out in a real world". If the regulations are "just don't do anything bad, and we'll tell you what's bad after you do it and invest billions in it" then it's hard for it to "work out". If the users are asked to invest into assets that can be wiped out of existence by regulators at any minute, then it's hard for it to "work out".
      - gitfan86 3y ago
        Yes, the government is part of the real world. If you created a nuclear power plant in your basement that you feel is totally safe, that is great, but a good chunk of the rest of the country wouldn't be comfortable with that and they would expect the government to shut down your nuclear power plant. You could disagree with them and the government, but it wouldn't work out well for you to invest all your money into your basement nuclear reactor.
        smsm42 3y ago
        That would not mean "nuclear power does not work". That would mean "people do not want it, whether it works or not". Except here it's not "the rest of the country" but a bunch of unelected bureaucrats which 99% of the country doesn't even know exist, and certainly didn't ask them to do anything. You started with claiming it "does not work", but ended with "it's bad investment because the government would destroy you". These are wildly different claims.