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Am I the only one that is surprised they went with the "all in the glasses" design? (Minus the exterior battery and cable.) I was expecting an extremely lightwe

Am I the only one that is surprised they went with the "all in the glasses" design? (Minus the exterior battery and cable.) I was expecting an extremely lightweight pair of glasses that wirelessly connects with a stationary device that provides most of the computing power for the VR/AR. That device could even be the new generation of iPhones... The design as-is looks better than 95% of other headsets, but still strikes me as a bit clunky.

brookst 3y ago
The display and optics are a lot of the bulk. Hard to move that off device.
dgs_sgd 3y ago
Seems like they needed a plethora of cameras and sensors up in the glasses to watch your eyes, hand gestures, and the environment. This is too big to fit in a lightweight pair of glasses.
- gwd 3y ago
  Add that the R1 chip almost certainly needs to be right next to the cameras and the display to get that 12ms response time, and about the only thing you could move off the device is the CPU and SSD... at which point, probably, why bother?
  - euroderf 3y ago
    Hmm, thermal regulation. I'll bet there were early versions of Vision Pro you could cook an egg on.
    - gwd 3y ago
      Right, but that R1 chip is going to be doing work constantly, and can't be moved without increasing the latency (decreasing quality and increasing issues with vertigo); so you have to work on thermal regulation within the headset anyway. So comparing the whole package of "R1 in the headset, M2 somewhere else" vs "R1 and M2 both in the headset", is the slight reduction in heat to be diffused from having the M2 elsewhere worth all the hassle of having to figure out where to put it? It sounds like Apple's engineers have gone with "no". Time will tell.
layer8 3y ago
The tech isn’t there for “just glasses”. You need motorized optics, sensors to measure your eye movements, and a dozen cameras to capture your surroundings, hand movements, etc. Also, image processing in a separate device might increase the AR pass-through latency, which allegedly they got down to 12 ms.
soylentcola 3y ago
But if it's "extremely lightweight", where would you put the battery to power a high bandwidth transmitter/receiver? I can't imagine anything approaching the size of a pair of Wayfarers having space for the battery or electronics (not to mention all the optics and sensors!)
- keiferski 3y ago
  Not necessarily the size of a pair of Wayfarers, but maybe 50% the size of the actual one.

brookst 3y ago

The display and optics are a lot of the bulk. Hard to move that off device.

dgs_sgd 3y ago

Seems like they needed a plethora of cameras and sensors up in the glasses to watch your eyes, hand gestures, and the environment. This is too big to fit in a lightweight pair of glasses.

gwd 3y ago
Add that the R1 chip almost certainly needs to be right next to the cameras and the display to get that 12ms response time, and about the only thing you could move off the device is the CPU and SSD... at which point, probably, why bother?
- euroderf 3y ago
  Hmm, thermal regulation. I'll bet there were early versions of Vision Pro you could cook an egg on.
  - gwd 3y ago
    Right, but that R1 chip is going to be doing work constantly, and can't be moved without increasing the latency (decreasing quality and increasing issues with vertigo); so you have to work on thermal regulation within the headset anyway. So comparing the whole package of "R1 in the headset, M2 somewhere else" vs "R1 and M2 both in the headset", is the slight reduction in heat to be diffused from having the M2 elsewhere worth all the hassle of having to figure out where to put it? It sounds like Apple's engineers have gone with "no". Time will tell.

layer8 3y ago

The tech isn’t there for “just glasses”. You need motorized optics, sensors to measure your eye movements, and a dozen cameras to capture your surroundings, hand movements, etc. Also, image processing in a separate device might increase the AR pass-through latency, which allegedly they got down to 12 ms.

soylentcola 3y ago

But if it's "extremely lightweight", where would you put the battery to power a high bandwidth transmitter/receiver? I can't imagine anything approaching the size of a pair of Wayfarers having space for the battery or electronics (not to mention all the optics and sensors!)

keiferski 3y ago
Not necessarily the size of a pair of Wayfarers, but maybe 50% the size of the actual one.