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This is pretty bad for VR. It will most likely flop because it has no reliable input. So far FrankenQuest 2/3 is on top: http://move.rupy.se/file/FrankenQuest

by bullen 3y ago

This is pretty bad for VR. It will most likely flop because it has no reliable input. So far FrankenQuest 2/3 is on top: http://move.rupy.se/file/FrankenQuest.png http://move.rupy.se/file/FrankenQuest.png Let's see what Valve can do...

mustacheemperor 3y ago
Videogaming seems like such a small market for Apple to chase individually. They make almost as much revenue on airpods every year as Sony has ever sold in PS5s. I feel like I’ve read this comment verbatim in at least one other thread in the last day or so…am I in the vr simulation already?
- gh02t 3y ago
  Isn't apple like one of if not the largest videogame retailers because of the App Store? A quick search suggests they made more money on videogames than Activision Blizzard, Sony, and Microsoft combined in 2019. It's still a big piece of money pie. And with this headset they control both the hardware and software platform so they get to double dip on profits.
  - brookst 3y ago
    Apple makes a lot of money from games on iOS, but nobody would say the iPhone is a gaming device. I expect the headset to be the same: it will have the GPU power to support games third party devs will make games, Apple will make money from distributing games, and it will still not be considered a gaming platform.
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    - gh02t 3y ago
      I disagree, I consider the iPhone to be a gaming device. By many metrics it might even be the most popular gaming device ever. It's not only a gaming device, but it can be more than one thing. That said, I suspect that the price tag on this generation of the Vision is probably gonna shut out most casual users; maybe we will see marquee, platform-selling games on it in later generations but I have a hard time imagining many people buying it for that until they become more affordable. I suspect that this will be a hard sell to the crowd that has $3K to spend on a gaming device (which granted, lots of people who play PC games spend that much), so it may be a chicken-and-egg problem. That said, having used Hololens 2 and Magic Leap I saw the potential for AR to be something really cool. I'm certainly rooting for Apple to finally deliver something polished and compelling, both for professional and consumer users.
      - brookst 3y ago
        I suppose it's a specific thing. I'd say "gaming device" means heavily optimized for gaming, including tradeoffs that make it less attractive for other scenarios. Consoles, Nintendo Switch, wired mice with a billion buttons and 1000DPI, etc.. those are gaming devices to me. Pencils are gaming devices in a general sense :)
- bullen 3y ago
  Highest-Grossing Entertainment Industry today. And when all the boomers die, it will eclipse many physical industries. To underestimate gaming, is to underestimate simulation of life itself. You're not in the simulation yet.
robotshmobot 3y ago
>It will most likely flop because it has no reliable input. This reads like the critiques just after the iPhone was announced that it will flop because it didn’t have a physical keyboard…
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  What does it even mean, "no reliable input"? Are they talking about input devices? Not only the headset doesn't need one for basic operations, but it's also compatible with keyboards, mice/trackpads and game controllers. What's missing?
  - bullen 3y ago
    I mean precision superhuman input like mouse or dual analog sticks. I can't for the life of me see myself using a headset with a mouse, but who knows. That said you cannot depend on not guaranteed inputs because the market goes down from 250.000 to like 1 for each input device (unless you want to debug all controllers with the headset). You need volume. ONLY Quest 2 has volume and as things are going now it's the only one that will for eternity. Can we afford 10 million Vision Pro ($35 billion). I'm just waiting for Quest 2 to get linux... that's inevitable if VR is supposed to have any future. I'm never touching a closed system like iOS or Android.

by bullen 3y ago

mustacheemperor 3y ago

Videogaming seems like such a small market for Apple to chase individually. They make almost as much revenue on airpods every year as Sony has ever sold in PS5s. I feel like I’ve read this comment verbatim in at least one other thread in the last day or so…am I in the vr simulation already?

gh02t 3y ago
Isn't apple like one of if not the largest videogame retailers because of the App Store? A quick search suggests they made more money on videogames than Activision Blizzard, Sony, and Microsoft combined in 2019. It's still a big piece of money pie. And with this headset they control both the hardware and software platform so they get to double dip on profits.
- brookst 3y ago
  Apple makes a lot of money from games on iOS, but nobody would say the iPhone is a gaming device. I expect the headset to be the same: it will have the GPU power to support games third party devs will make games, Apple will make money from distributing games, and it will still not be considered a gaming platform.
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  - gh02t 3y ago
    I disagree, I consider the iPhone to be a gaming device. By many metrics it might even be the most popular gaming device ever. It's not only a gaming device, but it can be more than one thing. That said, I suspect that the price tag on this generation of the Vision is probably gonna shut out most casual users; maybe we will see marquee, platform-selling games on it in later generations but I have a hard time imagining many people buying it for that until they become more affordable. I suspect that this will be a hard sell to the crowd that has $3K to spend on a gaming device (which granted, lots of people who play PC games spend that much), so it may be a chicken-and-egg problem. That said, having used Hololens 2 and Magic Leap I saw the potential for AR to be something really cool. I'm certainly rooting for Apple to finally deliver something polished and compelling, both for professional and consumer users.
    - brookst 3y ago
      I suppose it's a specific thing. I'd say "gaming device" means heavily optimized for gaming, including tradeoffs that make it less attractive for other scenarios. Consoles, Nintendo Switch, wired mice with a billion buttons and 1000DPI, etc.. those are gaming devices to me. Pencils are gaming devices in a general sense :)
bullen 3y ago
Highest-Grossing Entertainment Industry today. And when all the boomers die, it will eclipse many physical industries. To underestimate gaming, is to underestimate simulation of life itself. You're not in the simulation yet.

robotshmobot 3y ago

>It will most likely flop because it has no reliable input. This reads like the critiques just after the iPhone was announced that it will flop because it didn’t have a physical keyboard…

cassianoleal 3y ago
What does it even mean, "no reliable input"? Are they talking about input devices? Not only the headset doesn't need one for basic operations, but it's also compatible with keyboards, mice/trackpads and game controllers. What's missing?
- bullen 3y ago
  I mean precision superhuman input like mouse or dual analog sticks. I can't for the life of me see myself using a headset with a mouse, but who knows. That said you cannot depend on not guaranteed inputs because the market goes down from 250.000 to like 1 for each input device (unless you want to debug all controllers with the headset). You need volume. ONLY Quest 2 has volume and as things are going now it's the only one that will for eternity. Can we afford 10 million Vision Pro ($35 billion). I'm just waiting for Quest 2 to get linux... that's inevitable if VR is supposed to have any future. I'm never touching a closed system like iOS or Android.