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My prediction: Reddit just pushes these changes through maybe with a non-apology.

by quikoa 3y ago

NotYourLawyer 3y ago
I hope you’re right, and that this is reddit’s Digg moment. Looking forward to whatever the next big thing is.
- dageshi 3y ago
  Reddit existed and was frankly already winning the race with Digg before the Digg redesign, the "Digg moment" was just the cherry on top really. There's no obvious alternative to reddit.
  - dontlaugh 3y ago
    Several banned/quarantined communities retreated to semi-private Discord servers.
    - duped 3y ago
      Which is a good thing for reddit, toxic communities posting toxic garbage that drifts into /r/all isn't good for users or revenue.
      - dontlaugh 3y ago
        A minority of the banned communities fit that description, though. Regardless, I’m pointing out what is the current alternative.
        duped 3y ago
        Scanning over lists of banned communities, I wouldn't say it's a minority. It seems like that they're pretty predominantly awful groups of people posting awful things.
      - the_doctah 3y ago
        Do you think all banned/quarantined subreddits were "posting toxic garbage"?
        daemoens 3y ago
        The majority probably were.
  - adamc 3y ago
    Untrue. Discord is the obvious alternative. Increasing numbers of communities are already there.
    - dageshi 3y ago
      I am no expert on Discord, I frankly have used it little. But my impression is, it's a replacement for subreddits? Not a replacement for reddit in the whole? Is there a single feed of everything that's popular within Discord? Like the equivalent of the reddit front page?
      - adamc 3y ago
        No. Then again, I never use the reddit front page, and don't care (personally). If subreddits move, reddit's front page won't avail them much.
        guraf 3y ago
        So one would have to check every channels on every server they subscribe to, every day, just to see what's new? And you consider that a replacement for the Reddit home page? I have several hundred subreddits, that would take me forever on discord.
    - OGWhales 3y ago
      While it’s not a 1:1 replacement, I have to agree this is the most likely alternative for niche communities to live. It’s already common for certain subreddits to have a discord server and direct users there.
  - tayo42 3y ago
    > There's no obvious alternative to reddit. Less time on the internet. Social media seems to be dying and changing isnt it?
- the_doctah 3y ago
  Reddit's Digg moment was the horrible redesign. If they ever remove old.reddit.com the site will be unusable for me.
Cthulhu_ 3y ago
They haven't backtracked yet, but: a common strategy these days is to push an extreme thing, get people heated, then adjust to the thing they wanted to push in the first place so that it sounds reasonable and acceptable. Ex: I have a product, it costs me $1 to make. I want to sell it for $10, so there's a nice profit margin. People will balk because they think it's worth $8, or once I announce any pricing they will protest and try to talk it down. So I announce it'll cost $100. That's exorbitant! Rage rage anger anger etc, then I'm like... does $10 sound reasonable? Oh wow you came down 90% that's really good sure I won't complain about that you are so good to us. I wonder if Reddit tried this before with e.g. the previous content crackdown; they wanted to crack down to the point where the site would become ready for IPO (mainly get rid of porn), but they knew they'd suddenly lose two thirds of their engagement. They went for small steps then; remove hate subreddits (surely you cannot object to removing racism?? Oh right free speech), then remove porn from r/all, then remove porn from the API / 3rd party apps, before it gets removed entirely. Another comparison: Trump. Put a far-right nutjob in the forefront, have him come out with some really racist and offensive shit every day, so that the more moderate but mainstream right-wingers get to put in a little racism. Another stupid comparison: the Sonic movie. They did the first design badly on purpose, because it made people talk about and meme the Sonic movie for weeks on end. Then they did a redemption by changing the design to what they intended in the first place.
- zeroonetwothree 3y ago
  IME 99% of the time it’s not a brilliant conspiracy but rather just people being dumb
- gtirloni 3y ago
  Why do they have to remove porn for the IPO?
  - yurishimo 3y ago
    Do there exist _any_ public porn companies in America? AFAIK, I think they are all held privately. From a cursory search, I'm not seeing anything. Whether we like it or not, most investor money is ultimately managed by rich old dudes who want to save face around their friends and family. Since the US is prudish as all get-out, they don't invest in porn directly through the stock market. If you want to invest in porn privately, I'm sure those companies will take your money and you can work out a payment scheme and contracts without involving the S&P.

My prediction: Reddit just pushes these changes through maybe with a non-apology.

by quikoa 3y ago

My prediction: Reddit just pushes these changes through maybe with a non-apology.

NotYourLawyer 3y ago

I hope you’re right, and that this is reddit’s Digg moment. Looking forward to whatever the next big thing is.

dageshi 3y ago
Reddit existed and was frankly already winning the race with Digg before the Digg redesign, the "Digg moment" was just the cherry on top really. There's no obvious alternative to reddit.
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  Several banned/quarantined communities retreated to semi-private Discord servers.
  - duped 3y ago
    Which is a good thing for reddit, toxic communities posting toxic garbage that drifts into /r/all isn't good for users or revenue.
    - dontlaugh 3y ago
      A minority of the banned communities fit that description, though. Regardless, I’m pointing out what is the current alternative.
      - duped 3y ago
        Scanning over lists of banned communities, I wouldn't say it's a minority. It seems like that they're pretty predominantly awful groups of people posting awful things.
    - the_doctah 3y ago
      Do you think all banned/quarantined subreddits were "posting toxic garbage"?
      - daemoens 3y ago
        The majority probably were.
- adamc 3y ago
  Untrue. Discord is the obvious alternative. Increasing numbers of communities are already there.
  - dageshi 3y ago
    I am no expert on Discord, I frankly have used it little. But my impression is, it's a replacement for subreddits? Not a replacement for reddit in the whole? Is there a single feed of everything that's popular within Discord? Like the equivalent of the reddit front page?
    - adamc 3y ago
      No. Then again, I never use the reddit front page, and don't care (personally). If subreddits move, reddit's front page won't avail them much.
      - guraf 3y ago
        So one would have to check every channels on every server they subscribe to, every day, just to see what's new? And you consider that a replacement for the Reddit home page? I have several hundred subreddits, that would take me forever on discord.
  - OGWhales 3y ago
    While it’s not a 1:1 replacement, I have to agree this is the most likely alternative for niche communities to live. It’s already common for certain subreddits to have a discord server and direct users there.
- tayo42 3y ago
  > There's no obvious alternative to reddit. Less time on the internet. Social media seems to be dying and changing isnt it?
the_doctah 3y ago
Reddit's Digg moment was the horrible redesign. If they ever remove old.reddit.com the site will be unusable for me.

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

They haven't backtracked yet, but: a common strategy these days is to push an extreme thing, get people heated, then adjust to the thing they wanted to push in the first place so that it sounds reasonable and acceptable. Ex: I have a product, it costs me $1 to make. I want to sell it for $10, so there's a nice profit margin. People will balk because they think it's worth $8, or once I announce any pricing they will protest and try to talk it down. So I announce it'll cost $100. That's exorbitant! Rage rage anger anger etc, then I'm like... does $10 sound reasonable? Oh wow you came down 90% that's really good sure I won't complain about that you are so good to us. I wonder if Reddit tried this before with e.g. the previous content crackdown; they wanted to crack down to the point where the site would become ready for IPO (mainly get rid of porn), but they knew they'd suddenly lose two thirds of their engagement. They went for small steps then; remove hate subreddits (surely you cannot object to removing racism?? Oh right free speech), then remove porn from r/all, then remove porn from the API / 3rd party apps, before it gets removed entirely. Another comparison: Trump. Put a far-right nutjob in the forefront, have him come out with some really racist and offensive shit every day, so that the more moderate but mainstream right-wingers get to put in a little racism. Another stupid comparison: the Sonic movie. They did the first design badly on purpose, because it made people talk about and meme the Sonic movie for weeks on end. Then they did a redemption by changing the design to what they intended in the first place.

zeroonetwothree 3y ago
IME 99% of the time it’s not a brilliant conspiracy but rather just people being dumb
gtirloni 3y ago
Why do they have to remove porn for the IPO?
- yurishimo 3y ago
  Do there exist _any_ public porn companies in America? AFAIK, I think they are all held privately. From a cursory search, I'm not seeing anything. Whether we like it or not, most investor money is ultimately managed by rich old dudes who want to save face around their friends and family. Since the US is prudish as all get-out, they don't invest in porn directly through the stock market. If you want to invest in porn privately, I'm sure those companies will take your money and you can work out a payment scheme and contracts without involving the S&P.