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It blocks or slows only couple weeks at max. Not really a big gain. The river has 6 dams. Ukraine can control the upstream flow. It is estimated than in three

by nicce 3y ago

It blocks or slows only couple weeks at max. Not really a big gain. The river has 6 dams. Ukraine can control the upstream flow. It is estimated than in three days, the highest point in downstream is reached and then it will get lower. In the war which has lasted more than year, the benefit is meaningless. On the other hand, the flow flushes all the Russian defenses on the other side. And the source of drinkable water in Crimean is ruined.

candiodari 3y ago
The Ukrainian president said earlier the Russian army mined the dam, to prevent the bridge being used by Ukrainian military. Perhaps it detonated, either by accident, as a reaction to an actual Ukranian attack over the bridge, or simply because of a very nervous Russian soldier. On the plus side, this should mean the damage should not be too bad, as Ukraine had time to prepare. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/21/zelenskiy-accuses-russia-plot-blow-up-nova-kakhovka-dam-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/21/zelenskiy-accu...
- nicce 3y ago
  On the other hand, also the Russian has claimed Ukraine on planning the for blowing the dam. https://www.voanews.com/a/latest-developments-in-ukraine-oct-21/6799245.html https://www.voanews.com/a/latest-developments-in-ukraine-oct... None of the parties have supporting evidence (not for mines as well). Both parties are in information warfare, and everything is used for their own benefits. Everything they say, should be taken with a grain of salt. Immediately, when the dam was exploded, Zelensky said that now the world must react, and drive Russians from Ukraine, from all the territory and corners they have taken. https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1666050733773299714?cxt=HHwWhICxxZaUgJ8uAAAA https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1666050733773299714?c... https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1665952784665964545?cxt=HHwWgsCz6eTO054uAAAA https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1665952784665964545?c...
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    Here's a video of a Russian soldier doing everything short of admitting they did it. https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1666003021925347328 https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1666003021925347328
    - nicce 3y ago
      The problem is, that we don't have access to up-to-date Russian military records. Is he really Russian soldier? If he is, can we guarantee that the video is not digitally created (deep fake)? If we guarantee the both, what is the motivation for Russian soldier to say it and what situation led to this video? Do we know, that this soldier was indeed responsible to be close to the dam? It is so difficult to say what is true these days.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > The problem is, that we don't have access to up-to-date Russian military records. Is he really Russian soldier? If he is, can we guarantee that the video is not digitally created (deep fake)? If we guarantee the both, what is the motivation for Russian soldier to say it and what situation led to this video? Do we know, that this soldier was indeed responsible to be close to the dam? You got evidence and now you're trying to discredit that evidence. > It is so difficult to say what is true these days. Indeed it is, I have a feeling you really don't care much about the truth are just here to try and muddy the waters.
        nicce 3y ago
        > You got evidence and now you're trying to discredit that evidence. I am trying to say that our definitions of evidence are not the same anymore. It is just a video online. Without any other supporting factors, it stays like that. Evidence requires connection to the context, and we can't verify that. > Indeed it is, I have a feeling you really don't care much about the truth are just here to try and muddy the waters. I care about the truth. But I also don't like that people can't see over their own biases. (e.g. not considering that someone else than Russia could do something for their own benefit)
lamontcg 3y ago
> It is estimated than in three days, the highest point in downstream is reached and then it will get lower. Leaving a nice barrier of impassible mud everywhere around the river.
lost_tourist 3y ago
It's a pretty big psychological warfare advantage for the Russian though to impress their population and keep them in the dark about what is really going on in Ukraine. It seems a bit coincidental considering the major Ukrainian offensive will likely start with the next couple of weeks.

by nicce 3y ago

candiodari 3y ago

The Ukrainian president said earlier the Russian army mined the dam, to prevent the bridge being used by Ukrainian military. Perhaps it detonated, either by accident, as a reaction to an actual Ukranian attack over the bridge, or simply because of a very nervous Russian soldier. On the plus side, this should mean the damage should not be too bad, as Ukraine had time to prepare. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/21/zelenskiy-accuses-russia-plot-blow-up-nova-kakhovka-dam-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/21/zelenskiy-accu...

nicce 3y ago
On the other hand, also the Russian has claimed Ukraine on planning the for blowing the dam. https://www.voanews.com/a/latest-developments-in-ukraine-oct-21/6799245.html https://www.voanews.com/a/latest-developments-in-ukraine-oct... None of the parties have supporting evidence (not for mines as well). Both parties are in information warfare, and everything is used for their own benefits. Everything they say, should be taken with a grain of salt. Immediately, when the dam was exploded, Zelensky said that now the world must react, and drive Russians from Ukraine, from all the territory and corners they have taken. https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1666050733773299714?cxt=HHwWhICxxZaUgJ8uAAAA https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1666050733773299714?c... https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1665952784665964545?cxt=HHwWgsCz6eTO054uAAAA https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1665952784665964545?c...
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  Here's a video of a Russian soldier doing everything short of admitting they did it. https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1666003021925347328 https://twitter.com/den_kazansky/status/1666003021925347328
  - nicce 3y ago
    The problem is, that we don't have access to up-to-date Russian military records. Is he really Russian soldier? If he is, can we guarantee that the video is not digitally created (deep fake)? If we guarantee the both, what is the motivation for Russian soldier to say it and what situation led to this video? Do we know, that this soldier was indeed responsible to be close to the dam? It is so difficult to say what is true these days.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > The problem is, that we don't have access to up-to-date Russian military records. Is he really Russian soldier? If he is, can we guarantee that the video is not digitally created (deep fake)? If we guarantee the both, what is the motivation for Russian soldier to say it and what situation led to this video? Do we know, that this soldier was indeed responsible to be close to the dam? You got evidence and now you're trying to discredit that evidence. > It is so difficult to say what is true these days. Indeed it is, I have a feeling you really don't care much about the truth are just here to try and muddy the waters.
      - nicce 3y ago
        > You got evidence and now you're trying to discredit that evidence. I am trying to say that our definitions of evidence are not the same anymore. It is just a video online. Without any other supporting factors, it stays like that. Evidence requires connection to the context, and we can't verify that. > Indeed it is, I have a feeling you really don't care much about the truth are just here to try and muddy the waters. I care about the truth. But I also don't like that people can't see over their own biases. (e.g. not considering that someone else than Russia could do something for their own benefit)

lamontcg 3y ago

> It is estimated than in three days, the highest point in downstream is reached and then it will get lower. Leaving a nice barrier of impassible mud everywhere around the river.

lost_tourist 3y ago

It's a pretty big psychological warfare advantage for the Russian though to impress their population and keep them in the dark about what is really going on in Ukraine. It seems a bit coincidental considering the major Ukrainian offensive will likely start with the next couple of weeks.