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You meant Ukrainian terrorist attacks on civilians. Reminds me of what Chechen terrorists were doing long ago. How much time until Ukrainians take hostage a ma

by gdy 3y ago

You meant Ukrainian terrorist attacks on civilians. Reminds me of what Chechen terrorists were doing long ago. How much time until Ukrainians take hostage a maternity hospital[0] or a school[1] and demand to end the war? In fact, the leader of Ukrainian 'heroes', the neo-Nazi Azov battalion, promised to emulate Chechen tactics by attacking small cities inside Russia.[2] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budyonnovsk_hospital_hostage_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budyonnovsk_hospital_hostage_c... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/26/azov-brigade-ukraine-war-recruits/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/26/azov-brigade...

_kbh_ 3y ago
> You meant Ukrainian terrorist attacks on civilians. No, Ukraine, unlike Russia does its best to only target military installations and military outposts. But surely if you think this is terrorist action then you must think Russians are the biggest terrorist in the world. > Reminds me of what Chechen terrorists were doing long ago. How much time until Ukrainians take hostage a maternity hospital[0] or a school[1] and demand to end the war? Ah yes the rampant speculation from a deluded mind that has no basis in reality, I wouldn't expect much more from a Russian propagandist though. > In fact, the leader of Ukrainian 'heroes', the neo-Nazi Azov battalion, promised to emulate Chechen tactics by attacking small cities inside Russia.[2] He suggested it, he didn't promise to do it, a distinct difference.
- gdy 3y ago
  "Ukraine, unlike Russia does its best to only target military installations and military outposts" Doesn't look like it [0]. Even the original article says: "“There are very few of our people there. Previous days with all the shelling - there was almost no response, no (Russian) military. We were left on our own,” the unnamed woman said." "that has no basis in reality" Does it? Deliberately shelling a town and killing civilians together with 'suggestions' of neo-Nazi from Azov look like a basis to me. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/world/europe/russia-war-belgorod.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/world/europe/russia-war-b...
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > Doesn't look like it [0]. Your article is behind a pay wall, so it can conveniently not be checked. But your quoted line suggests they got no help from the military not that they weren't there. > Does it? Deliberately shelling a town and killing civilians together with 'suggestions' of neo-Nazi from Azov look like a basis to me. There is no promise there, I understand the distinction might be hard to notice for someone who doesn't speak English as a first language.
    - gdy 3y ago
      It isn't behind a paywall for me. But anyway, here you are [0]. "But your quoted line suggests they got no help from the military not that they weren't there." Seriously? "there was almost no response, no (Russian) military." suggests you that Russian military was there? It seems, English is not your native language either. "There is no promise there" That's why I didn't use that word. Azov's 'suggestion' to attack border towns like Chechens did is "a basis in reality" unless you think that NYTimes journalist invented this. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20230613012141/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/world/europe/russia-war-belgorod.html https://web.archive.org/web/20230613012141/https://www.nytim...
- lisasays 3y ago
  Ukraine, unlike Russia does its best to only target military installations and military outposts. I'm not so sure. As resourceful as you are -- I suggest you do find a way to pull up the NYT article, and other reports on the situation in Shebekino / Belgorod. Initial reports do indicate that the "rebels" are to some extent deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure -- with the goal of creating maximum chaos, and maximum embarrassment for (and internal outrage directed at) the Russian government (in their inability to respond). Per the article: Shebekino is a ghost town after days of shelling. Perhaps a thousand residents linger on. Last week, they included a single man who dragged twisted metal onto the sidewalk in a forlorn cleanup effort. It is, after all, an offensive operation -- and it is extremely difficult to imagine this kind of stuff not happening. It also makes sense that Kyiv doesn't want to be seen doing these things with own hand -- and so instead sent a fake "rebel" army over the border to do the job. "Do what you gotta do, but don't overdo it. Moderate-scale terror, and single-digit civilian fatalities only, please" one imagines them being told by their handlers. None of which supports the overall narrative of the other commenter in this thread, of course. Or that of any of the other trolls and sycophants who post regularly here. Russia's atrocities so far have been on an entirely different scale, and are far more calculated and deliberate than what the Ukrainians are doing. Still - the Ukrainians aren't angels, and there's no reason to pretend that that they are.

by gdy 3y ago

_kbh_ 3y ago

> You meant Ukrainian terrorist attacks on civilians. No, Ukraine, unlike Russia does its best to only target military installations and military outposts. But surely if you think this is terrorist action then you must think Russians are the biggest terrorist in the world. > Reminds me of what Chechen terrorists were doing long ago. How much time until Ukrainians take hostage a maternity hospital[0] or a school[1] and demand to end the war? Ah yes the rampant speculation from a deluded mind that has no basis in reality, I wouldn't expect much more from a Russian propagandist though. > In fact, the leader of Ukrainian 'heroes', the neo-Nazi Azov battalion, promised to emulate Chechen tactics by attacking small cities inside Russia.[2] He suggested it, he didn't promise to do it, a distinct difference.

gdy 3y ago
"Ukraine, unlike Russia does its best to only target military installations and military outposts" Doesn't look like it [0]. Even the original article says: "“There are very few of our people there. Previous days with all the shelling - there was almost no response, no (Russian) military. We were left on our own,” the unnamed woman said." "that has no basis in reality" Does it? Deliberately shelling a town and killing civilians together with 'suggestions' of neo-Nazi from Azov look like a basis to me. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/world/europe/russia-war-belgorod.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/world/europe/russia-war-b...
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Doesn't look like it [0]. Your article is behind a pay wall, so it can conveniently not be checked. But your quoted line suggests they got no help from the military not that they weren't there. > Does it? Deliberately shelling a town and killing civilians together with 'suggestions' of neo-Nazi from Azov look like a basis to me. There is no promise there, I understand the distinction might be hard to notice for someone who doesn't speak English as a first language.
  - gdy 3y ago
    It isn't behind a paywall for me. But anyway, here you are [0]. "But your quoted line suggests they got no help from the military not that they weren't there." Seriously? "there was almost no response, no (Russian) military." suggests you that Russian military was there? It seems, English is not your native language either. "There is no promise there" That's why I didn't use that word. Azov's 'suggestion' to attack border towns like Chechens did is "a basis in reality" unless you think that NYTimes journalist invented this. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20230613012141/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/12/world/europe/russia-war-belgorod.html https://web.archive.org/web/20230613012141/https://www.nytim...
lisasays 3y ago
Ukraine, unlike Russia does its best to only target military installations and military outposts. I'm not so sure. As resourceful as you are -- I suggest you do find a way to pull up the NYT article, and other reports on the situation in Shebekino / Belgorod. Initial reports do indicate that the "rebels" are to some extent deliberately targeting civilian infrastructure -- with the goal of creating maximum chaos, and maximum embarrassment for (and internal outrage directed at) the Russian government (in their inability to respond). Per the article: Shebekino is a ghost town after days of shelling. Perhaps a thousand residents linger on. Last week, they included a single man who dragged twisted metal onto the sidewalk in a forlorn cleanup effort. It is, after all, an offensive operation -- and it is extremely difficult to imagine this kind of stuff not happening. It also makes sense that Kyiv doesn't want to be seen doing these things with own hand -- and so instead sent a fake "rebel" army over the border to do the job. "Do what you gotta do, but don't overdo it. Moderate-scale terror, and single-digit civilian fatalities only, please" one imagines them being told by their handlers. None of which supports the overall narrative of the other commenter in this thread, of course. Or that of any of the other trolls and sycophants who post regularly here. Russia's atrocities so far have been on an entirely different scale, and are far more calculated and deliberate than what the Ukrainians are doing. Still - the Ukrainians aren't angels, and there's no reason to pretend that that they are.