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None of this is real. Don’t fuck with your brain, pal, it ain’t worth it.

by pbj1968 3y ago

kfrzcode 3y ago
Arguable. Entheogenic drugs are likely a significant driver behind human cognitive evolution. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic_drugs_and_the_archaeological_record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic_drugs_and_the_arch...
- arunix 3y ago
  Are you referring to the Stoned Ape hypothesis? I couldn't find any mention of evolution in the linked article.
  - kfrzcode 3y ago
    Yes, in part, and generally there's a close relationship between humans and many interesting psychedelic sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_entheogenic_drugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_entheogenic_drugs
colordrops 3y ago
Your two sentences contradict each other.
Traubenfuchs 3y ago
Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? How can one stand decades of stagnation without the desire to escape?
- lrvick 3y ago
  To stimulate my brain I just learn new skills and solve puzzles constantly. I am pretty happy so there is no need to escape. I admit I am -curious- to try psychedelics but in no hurry. Plenty of things to entertain me in this life.
  - ilyt 3y ago
    Seriously, my current motivation to work is basically to afford a place where I can indulge in more of my hobbies and skills. I can't imagine "running out of things to do" (aside from "I am so tired after work I can't be arsed" I guess) anytime soon
    - alecbz 3y ago
      Kinda crazy to realize/appreciate how not-depressed some people are.
      - ilyt 3y ago
        Oh, no, you can have plenty of hobbies but still be too depressed to touch any of that, lived thru that too, and still didn't drop the weight I gained because of that... Plenty of stress or frustration to be had from hobbies too I do feel lucky that the thing I don't hate and are reasonably good at allows me to get decent job and money
      - LoganDark 3y ago
        It depends on your definition of depression. For example I could be either depressed (there are some facts about my life that I've always been unhappy with, even if they don't necessarily distress me every day) or not depressed (I'm pretty happy and can't remember any real recent gripes) depending on how you define depression. By the clinical definition, I don't have depression, because it doesn't impact my enjoyment of or participation in hobbies, and I also don't seem to have any persistent or recurring mood problems.
        alecbz 3y ago
        > there are some facts about my life that I've always been unhappy with, even if they don't necessarily distress me every day I'm not sure anyone would call this depression? I certainly wouldn't. I think I generally mean anhedonia when I talk about depression.
        3y ago
- LoganDark 3y ago
  > Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? Agree... I'm nearly unable to fantasize properly (dream or daydream what I want), and it's difficult to describe how it makes me feel, but I would probably use something like "fantasy withdrawal". I've gotten pretty upset in the past over it and keep wishing I could find some drug to help me experience the things that I can't normally. LSD was the first thing I tried, ketamine will probably be next. Curse my stupid brain for being stuck in reality. Makes one wonder what the purpose of dreams really is. It could be to try to prevent something like this from arising, but mine don't properly address that need. It's not aphantasia, not even close. My coping mechanism for most of my life has been roleplay and story writing, which I have no trouble imagining (in fact I can seemingly do it better than most people). It's just that I can't properly dream it, can't experience it using the slots reserved for the normal senses. I've never gotten a straight answer to whether this is normal or not, but I have heard that similar things can be caused by being autistic (which I am). Some autistics are known to be very literal and aware of reality and only reality. I just don't want to be that because it's painful.
  - BasedAnon 3y ago
    Have you tried watching and listening to harsh noise? Idk if it'd overstimulate you, but it might help you learn to break out of reality. It's also harder to do if you're stressed.
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      AFAIUI, being autistic can completely remove the ability for the brain to filter out certain types of stimuli. (Autism is a spectrum, but defective filtering of certain stimuli is a known autistic trait.) It might not necessarily be possible to train/practice dissociation like that. I haven't tried it though, that sounds interesting. I would probably want to use headphones for it though, as otherwise, the volume required to actually bother me would probably fill the entire apartment complex ;D
- ilyt 3y ago
  If I won lottery today I'd have enough hobbies and interests to fill a lifetime. There is so many interesting things to do (let alone watch) to last multiple lifetimes. > How can one stand decades of stagnation without the desire to escape? I guess by not being totally unimaginative and boring ? There is no nice way to say it.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  >Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? Maybe its just your default mode of consciousness that's boring. Yesterday I had a dream where Elon Musk was making blow-up spaceships like balloons and I met Natalie Portman in a crowd of people and told her I hated Trainspotting, also there were Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles at some point but I don't remember why. One time I had a dream that changed my entire view of reality where I experienced passing into the afterlife as if I were diving into a pool of water and the transition was like touching the surface of the water. Even during the day time, my brain just produces stuff like this but it's 'behind my eyes', that's where my imagination goes. Sometimes I'll just decide I want the colors to melt, or objects to explode like glass, and I can just do that.
eftokay83 3y ago
Just in case you don't get it, I think this is a quote from the movie 'Total recall'

None of this is real. Don’t fuck with your brain, pal, it ain’t worth it.

Arguable. Entheogenic drugs are likely a significant driver behind human cognitive evolution. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic_drugs_and_the_archaeological_record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogenic_drugs_and_the_arch...

arunix 3y ago
Are you referring to the Stoned Ape hypothesis? I couldn't find any mention of evolution in the linked article.
- kfrzcode 3y ago
  Yes, in part, and generally there's a close relationship between humans and many interesting psychedelic sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_entheogenic_drugs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_entheogenic_drugs

colordrops 3y ago

Your two sentences contradict each other.

Traubenfuchs 3y ago

Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? How can one stand decades of stagnation without the desire to escape?

lrvick 3y ago
To stimulate my brain I just learn new skills and solve puzzles constantly. I am pretty happy so there is no need to escape. I admit I am -curious- to try psychedelics but in no hurry. Plenty of things to entertain me in this life.
- ilyt 3y ago
  Seriously, my current motivation to work is basically to afford a place where I can indulge in more of my hobbies and skills. I can't imagine "running out of things to do" (aside from "I am so tired after work I can't be arsed" I guess) anytime soon
  - alecbz 3y ago
    Kinda crazy to realize/appreciate how not-depressed some people are.
    - ilyt 3y ago
      Oh, no, you can have plenty of hobbies but still be too depressed to touch any of that, lived thru that too, and still didn't drop the weight I gained because of that... Plenty of stress or frustration to be had from hobbies too I do feel lucky that the thing I don't hate and are reasonably good at allows me to get decent job and money
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      It depends on your definition of depression. For example I could be either depressed (there are some facts about my life that I've always been unhappy with, even if they don't necessarily distress me every day) or not depressed (I'm pretty happy and can't remember any real recent gripes) depending on how you define depression. By the clinical definition, I don't have depression, because it doesn't impact my enjoyment of or participation in hobbies, and I also don't seem to have any persistent or recurring mood problems.
      - alecbz 3y ago
        > there are some facts about my life that I've always been unhappy with, even if they don't necessarily distress me every day I'm not sure anyone would call this depression? I certainly wouldn't. I think I generally mean anhedonia when I talk about depression.
        3y ago
LoganDark 3y ago
> Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? Agree... I'm nearly unable to fantasize properly (dream or daydream what I want), and it's difficult to describe how it makes me feel, but I would probably use something like "fantasy withdrawal". I've gotten pretty upset in the past over it and keep wishing I could find some drug to help me experience the things that I can't normally. LSD was the first thing I tried, ketamine will probably be next. Curse my stupid brain for being stuck in reality. Makes one wonder what the purpose of dreams really is. It could be to try to prevent something like this from arising, but mine don't properly address that need. It's not aphantasia, not even close. My coping mechanism for most of my life has been roleplay and story writing, which I have no trouble imagining (in fact I can seemingly do it better than most people). It's just that I can't properly dream it, can't experience it using the slots reserved for the normal senses. I've never gotten a straight answer to whether this is normal or not, but I have heard that similar things can be caused by being autistic (which I am). Some autistics are known to be very literal and aware of reality and only reality. I just don't want to be that because it's painful.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  Have you tried watching and listening to harsh noise? Idk if it'd overstimulate you, but it might help you learn to break out of reality. It's also harder to do if you're stressed.
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    AFAIUI, being autistic can completely remove the ability for the brain to filter out certain types of stimuli. (Autism is a spectrum, but defective filtering of certain stimuli is a known autistic trait.) It might not necessarily be possible to train/practice dissociation like that. I haven't tried it though, that sounds interesting. I would probably want to use headphones for it though, as otherwise, the volume required to actually bother me would probably fill the entire apartment complex ;D
ilyt 3y ago
If I won lottery today I'd have enough hobbies and interests to fill a lifetime. There is so many interesting things to do (let alone watch) to last multiple lifetimes. > How can one stand decades of stagnation without the desire to escape? I guess by not being totally unimaginative and boring ? There is no nice way to say it.
BasedAnon 3y ago
>Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? Maybe its just your default mode of consciousness that's boring. Yesterday I had a dream where Elon Musk was making blow-up spaceships like balloons and I met Natalie Portman in a crowd of people and told her I hated Trainspotting, also there were Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles at some point but I don't remember why. One time I had a dream that changed my entire view of reality where I experienced passing into the afterlife as if I were diving into a pool of water and the transition was like touching the surface of the water. Even during the day time, my brain just produces stuff like this but it's 'behind my eyes', that's where my imagination goes. Sometimes I'll just decide I want the colors to melt, or objects to explode like glass, and I can just do that.

eftokay83 3y ago

Just in case you don't get it, I think this is a quote from the movie 'Total recall'