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I wonder if all of this will turn out to be another WatchOS. It’s comprehensive, and frankly cool. But will that be enough to tip the scales in favor of a kille

I wonder if all of this will turn out to be another WatchOS. It’s comprehensive, and frankly cool. But will that be enough to tip the scales in favor of a killer app? Every new platform needs a killer app. Xbox had halo. iPhone had maps. watchOS didn’t really have one. Hopefully visionOS will.

ralusek 3y ago
The killer app is your current workstation. This thing is worth it alone just by virtue of being able to expand my workstation to an indefinite number of virtual monitors wherever I am alongside my laptop. This is possible on current VR headsets, but the resolution isn't there for any of them, including the Meta Quest Pro. This is the first one with resolution enough to push it over the threshold.
- kgwgk 3y ago
  Your workstation already has access to an indefinite number of virtual monitors.
  - colecut 3y ago
    Not simultaneously
    - DANmode 3y ago
      .......I think this is how they plan to stuff everyone back into open office floorplans.
    - kgwgk 3y ago
      You cannot look simultaneously at multiple places anyway.
      - deleted 3y ago
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- dividedbyzero 3y ago
  I remain unconvinced that a lot of people will want to spend most of the time they are awake with VR/AR goggles strapped to their face.
  - makeitdouble 3y ago
    If someone told me as a kid that I'd spend more than half or my waken hours with a screen in front of me I'd have called bullshit on them as well. On principle if this device was better than our current laptop screens I think it would be a no-brainer. With it being so early in the tech yet, reportedly heavy (why did they think metal was a good idea), and with only so much resolution, it's still hard to justify as a work expense.
  - alwillis 3y ago
    > I remain unconvinced that a lot of people will want to spend most of the time they are awake with VR/AR goggles strapped to their face. Nobody suggested that it should be used all day for most people. However, when I watched the keynote, I immediately thought how much nicer it would have been at the peak of the COVID pandemic to be using an Apple Vision Pro for all of my Zoom calls on the living room couch (or the porch) instead of being stuck at my desk with at the desktop.
- cassianoleal 3y ago
  > being able to expand my workstation to an indefinite number of virtual monitors Can it do that though? In the presentation, they only showed 1 virtual monitor replacing you laptop's screen - essentially just mirroring the screen once. Everything else were what looked like native apps, so likely as restrictive as iPad apps, but in (virtual) space.
Operyl 3y ago
> watchOS didn’t really have one. What? It's had a few over the course of the product. One of its amazing feature sets is the workout system, general health monitoring, etc.
manuelabeledo 3y ago
I mean, watchOS has a killer app already: Health and Fitness.
- vachina 3y ago
  Apple’s killer app has always been software finesse and hardware craftsmanship. It feels nice to wear and use an Apple Watch. But cutting edge tech ages like milk. Still prefer a Garmin with a longer battery life.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Kinda, but Fitbit has a range of fitness trackers that do those things with a longer battery life while costing half as much. I'm reminded of "less space than a nomad", and it's that same magic sauce that might make or break it.
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    And yet it seems most people choose to pay twice as much to not use Fitbit.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Hence second paragraph
- blitzar 3y ago
  I mean, watchOS has a killer app already: Telling the time (without picking up your phone).
junofan 3y ago
It just needs an addictive chat app people spend 10 hours a day in.
- ben_w 3y ago
  Perhaps it will be what finally pushes me to try out Furcadia 20 years after learning about it… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furcadia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furcadia
rmm 3y ago
This is exactly what will happen. Apple will throw the tech at it. Developers will build things. Then whatever sticks they will lean into.
mettamage 3y ago
I use my Apple Watch Ultra every day to track sleep, while integrating with the other Apple products that I own. For me that justified the price point given that I am doing my _hardest_ to improve my sleep (and am not that affected by anxiety about sleep data). So far, it has more or less panned out as I want to. One thing I'm not happy about is the temperature tracking as I want to know when my temperature minimum is, but Apple doesn't give me that. Other features are nice to have. One that's really nice to have is Apple Pay on your watch. With public transport (Amsterdam), it becomes seamless to go on a ride.
ozgung 3y ago
> Every new platform needs a killer app. Maybe not. This is a popular argument but I think it's too simplistic. There must be different killer apps for different people. For the AR, there are meaningful applications especially for the Industry use. It's also meaningful for entertainment and games. It's an extension to existing platforms with a new interface. I think there will be multiple use cases for this platform.
alwillis 3y ago
> I wonder if all of this will turn out to be another WatchOS. The killer app for watchOS is health + fitness: exercise, sleep monitoring, etc. Also, the Apple Watch has 60% of the worldwide smartwatch market's revenue [1] at around 50 million units. [1]: https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/02/22/apple-watch-dominated-smartwatch-market-sales-and-profits-in-2022 https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/02/22/apple-watch-domin...
tinus_hn 3y ago
> Every new platform needs a killer app. […] watchOS didn’t really have one. So that’s why the Apple Watch failed, isn’t the number one smartwatch, isn’t the number one watch and hasn’t sold over 100 million units! /s
kapperchino 3y ago
AR city builder would be amazing with hand tracking, where you can pick up buildings and place them, or just interacting with the mini world.

ralusek 3y ago

The killer app is your current workstation. This thing is worth it alone just by virtue of being able to expand my workstation to an indefinite number of virtual monitors wherever I am alongside my laptop. This is possible on current VR headsets, but the resolution isn't there for any of them, including the Meta Quest Pro. This is the first one with resolution enough to push it over the threshold.

kgwgk 3y ago
Your workstation already has access to an indefinite number of virtual monitors.
- colecut 3y ago
  Not simultaneously
  - DANmode 3y ago
    .......I think this is how they plan to stuff everyone back into open office floorplans.
  - kgwgk 3y ago
    You cannot look simultaneously at multiple places anyway.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
dividedbyzero 3y ago
I remain unconvinced that a lot of people will want to spend most of the time they are awake with VR/AR goggles strapped to their face.
- makeitdouble 3y ago
  If someone told me as a kid that I'd spend more than half or my waken hours with a screen in front of me I'd have called bullshit on them as well. On principle if this device was better than our current laptop screens I think it would be a no-brainer. With it being so early in the tech yet, reportedly heavy (why did they think metal was a good idea), and with only so much resolution, it's still hard to justify as a work expense.
- alwillis 3y ago
  > I remain unconvinced that a lot of people will want to spend most of the time they are awake with VR/AR goggles strapped to their face. Nobody suggested that it should be used all day for most people. However, when I watched the keynote, I immediately thought how much nicer it would have been at the peak of the COVID pandemic to be using an Apple Vision Pro for all of my Zoom calls on the living room couch (or the porch) instead of being stuck at my desk with at the desktop.
cassianoleal 3y ago
> being able to expand my workstation to an indefinite number of virtual monitors Can it do that though? In the presentation, they only showed 1 virtual monitor replacing you laptop's screen - essentially just mirroring the screen once. Everything else were what looked like native apps, so likely as restrictive as iPad apps, but in (virtual) space.

Operyl 3y ago

> watchOS didn’t really have one. What? It's had a few over the course of the product. One of its amazing feature sets is the workout system, general health monitoring, etc.

manuelabeledo 3y ago

I mean, watchOS has a killer app already: Health and Fitness.

vachina 3y ago
Apple’s killer app has always been software finesse and hardware craftsmanship. It feels nice to wear and use an Apple Watch. But cutting edge tech ages like milk. Still prefer a Garmin with a longer battery life.
ben_w 3y ago
Kinda, but Fitbit has a range of fitness trackers that do those things with a longer battery life while costing half as much. I'm reminded of "less space than a nomad", and it's that same magic sauce that might make or break it.
- Gigachad 3y ago
  And yet it seems most people choose to pay twice as much to not use Fitbit.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    Hence second paragraph
blitzar 3y ago
I mean, watchOS has a killer app already: Telling the time (without picking up your phone).

junofan 3y ago

It just needs an addictive chat app people spend 10 hours a day in.

ben_w 3y ago
Perhaps it will be what finally pushes me to try out Furcadia 20 years after learning about it… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furcadia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furcadia

rmm 3y ago

This is exactly what will happen. Apple will throw the tech at it. Developers will build things. Then whatever sticks they will lean into.

mettamage 3y ago

I use my Apple Watch Ultra every day to track sleep, while integrating with the other Apple products that I own. For me that justified the price point given that I am doing my _hardest_ to improve my sleep (and am not that affected by anxiety about sleep data). So far, it has more or less panned out as I want to. One thing I'm not happy about is the temperature tracking as I want to know when my temperature minimum is, but Apple doesn't give me that. Other features are nice to have. One that's really nice to have is Apple Pay on your watch. With public transport (Amsterdam), it becomes seamless to go on a ride.

ozgung 3y ago

> Every new platform needs a killer app. Maybe not. This is a popular argument but I think it's too simplistic. There must be different killer apps for different people. For the AR, there are meaningful applications especially for the Industry use. It's also meaningful for entertainment and games. It's an extension to existing platforms with a new interface. I think there will be multiple use cases for this platform.

alwillis 3y ago

> I wonder if all of this will turn out to be another WatchOS. The killer app for watchOS is health + fitness: exercise, sleep monitoring, etc. Also, the Apple Watch has 60% of the worldwide smartwatch market's revenue [1] at around 50 million units. [1]: https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/02/22/apple-watch-dominated-smartwatch-market-sales-and-profits-in-2022 https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/02/22/apple-watch-domin...

tinus_hn 3y ago

> Every new platform needs a killer app. […] watchOS didn’t really have one. So that’s why the Apple Watch failed, isn’t the number one smartwatch, isn’t the number one watch and hasn’t sold over 100 million units! /s

kapperchino 3y ago

AR city builder would be amazing with hand tracking, where you can pick up buildings and place them, or just interacting with the mini world.