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No it's very simple. If Russia didn't invade, Russia wouldn't be killing people and blowing up their stuff. Russia's actions are Russia's responsibility, not
by ChoHag 3y ago
No it's very simple.
If Russia didn't invade, Russia wouldn't be killing people and blowing up their stuff.
Russia's actions are Russia's responsibility, not America's.
- jemmyw 3y agoConstant surprise how many pro Russian views there are from a mainly American audience on a tech website. I'm anti war, anti the US going into Iraq for example. Therefore I'm on the side of Ukraine here and we should give any support necessary for them to defend themselves. No "provocation" that happened or has been made up or imagined by Russia excuses what they're doing. There are plenty of political reasons I don't necessarily like for the west to support Ukraine, but reasons aside, outcome is aligned.
- FredPret 3y agoYou’d think everyone in the US can align with Ukraine on this. Peaceful orientation: Russia started it Warlike orientation: Ukraine winning this thing would defeat a major US rival Budget conscious: sending $1 to Ukraine does more to cement US hegemony than sending it to the DoD Social justice types: Russia has a horrific record on the human rights of anyone who isn’t Putin Conservatives: Ukraine, formerly part of the USSR, is trying to align itself more with the Western way of doing things and Russia is violently trying to stop them
- lpcvoid 3y agoYeah, spot on. It's incredible how many people here think they see the big truth while the "herd of sheep" is obviously way less enlightened than them. How anybody can orchestrate a pro-russian view point within this conflict is mind boggling to me.
- KptMarchewa 3y ago>Conservatives: Ukraine, formerly part of the USSR, is trying to align itself more with the Western way of doing things and Russia is violently trying to stop them The biggest meme amongst conservatives now is how west all sucks. Amazing how quickly that spread. Reagan would be disgusted with traitors that calls themselves Republicans nowadays.
- jemmyw 3y agoWonder where that meme came from. And the conservatives further up the thread are accusing me of falling for pro-Ukraine propaganda.
- jemmyw 3y agoThanks, great wording
- TeMPOraL 3y agoDon't confuse "pro-Russian" with "anti-bullshit" stance. Finding Russia to be the aggressor and Ukraine to be the victim doesn't automatically imply you have to throw away all your mental faculties and gobble up wartime propaganda without questioning, reducing yourself to a binary classifier - "it says Ukraine good == it's good; otherwise, it's pro-Russian trolling". War time is literally the last moment you want to take what anyone involved says at face value. The eagerness with which people in tech circles - including on this very website too - are jumping in to loudly signal their allegiance with a side (be it Ukraine in this conflict, or US in US vs. China threads, or...), whether or not it even makes sense, much less follows any kind of sensible reasoning - this is what keeps baffling me. As a teenager/young adult, I had the impression that STEM circles are better than this. The last decade has proven me wrong.
- admissionsguy 3y agoAnyone who values STEM and the legacy of enlightenment that has made STEM possible should definitely pledge allegiance to the Western side in a conflict with Russia or China, even if that includes repeating wartime propaganda at times. I find it perfectly rational.
- TeMPOraL 3y agoBroadly supporting the Western side? Perhaps. Siding with and supporting Ukraine in this conflict? Yes. Repeating war propaganda? I strongly think this is just sawing off the branch you're sitting on. We can debate the merit of the idea of sacrificing the thing you value the most in order to protect it - but it's neither here, nor there. People on the ground, fighting to defend their homes, are going to do whatever they feel necessary, including plenty of nasty, ugly, underhanded things - as it has always been in the history of war. But people far away, safe from any ongoing conflict, have no excuse - they're not sacrificing anything but intellectual integrity, and they're not doing it for survival, but rather for internet points or a leg up in some domestic political games.
- caoilte 3y agoFunding this war (which we're losing) is gutting funding for further education and scientific research. It's possible there's a secret plan which will turn things around, but it seems more likely that the only thing which benefits from our inevitable defeat is the arms industry.
- throwaway2990 3y agoThere’s a lot of pro Russia / pro CCP people on HN. Even dang is pro CCP. Would be nice to live in a world where there was no border conflicts or vile threats from governments.
- jemmyw 3y agoAh, the world without humans!