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So: 1. What side does this help? 2. How does this action help that side?

by tivert 3y ago

deanCommie 3y ago
Benefits the Russians who have been dealing with a Ukranian counter-offensive, and commentators have been wondering if Ukraine would attempt to cross the Dnipro and mount a counter-offensive to cut Crimea off from the mainland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRYWbVD5AE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRYWbVD5AE is a great visualization of why that task is basically impossible now.
- nate_meurer 3y ago
  Scorched earth retreats are also a time-honored Soviet and Russian military strategy.
  - wolverine876 3y ago
    I'd love to read an expert source on that, if you have one.
    - orbital-decay 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_of_Moscow_(1812) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_of_Moscow_(1812)
    - stargazer-3 3y ago
      A dam on the same river was blown up by retreating Soviet troops in WW2: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/second-world-war-dnieper-dam-blown-up-by-russians-1941 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/second-world-w...
      - wolverine876 3y ago
        Interesting, thanks, though only one incident. Do you know any sources on Russian military strategy?
- actuator 3y ago
  Footage coming out in the last two days showed heavy Ukraine armour losses, so I am not sure whether this is necessarily because Russians were on backfoot. The overflow would be higher towards South so it will hurt Russian defensive preparations more once the water has receded.
  - tivert 3y ago
    > Footage coming out in the last two days showed heavy Ukraine armour losses, so I am not sure whether this is necessarily because Russians were on backfoot. Do you have any links about that?
coconut_crab 3y ago
- settlements on river banks will be swept away - the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, ZNPP, won't be restarted due to lack of cooling - Crimea will lost access to fresh water - First line of defence for both sides are swept away. - it will be harder for Ukraine side to mount an amphibious assault So it's a lose-lose situation for everyone.
- Bootvis 3y ago
  Not if you’re going to lose anyway
  - deadbolt 3y ago
    Who does that apply to?
- wkat4242 3y ago
  I'm kinda happy for that power plant not to be restarted though. It's much better for it to be in a shutdown state if it finds itself in the middle of combat again. I know Ukraine needed the power but it getting damaged could cause problems far beyond Ukraine. One Chernobyl was enough. But I hope it has enough cooling water to cool its storage reservoirs. All the other effects are terrible of course :( And all favour Russia.
  - Elhana 3y ago
    It was in shutdown state ever since it was taken by Russia and there were no plans to restart it until the end of the conflict.
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      Oh ok I read somewhere they wanted to restart it soon. In that case it's also a bad outcome of this dam bust indeed :(
  - eenokentee 3y ago
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Scarblac 3y ago
It's firstly a gigantic humanitarian disaster with likely many many dead, pure act of terrorism.
- DanHulton 3y ago
  Not the first, almost certainly won't be the last.
dehrmann 3y ago
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So: 1. What side does this help? 2. How does this action help that side?

by tivert 3y ago

So: 1. What side does this help? 2. How does this action help that side?

Benefits the Russians who have been dealing with a Ukranian counter-offensive, and commentators have been wondering if Ukraine would attempt to cross the Dnipro and mount a counter-offensive to cut Crimea off from the mainland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRYWbVD5AE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRYWbVD5AE is a great visualization of why that task is basically impossible now.

nate_meurer 3y ago
Scorched earth retreats are also a time-honored Soviet and Russian military strategy.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  I'd love to read an expert source on that, if you have one.
  - orbital-decay 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_of_Moscow_(1812) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_of_Moscow_(1812)
  - stargazer-3 3y ago
    A dam on the same river was blown up by retreating Soviet troops in WW2: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/second-world-war-dnieper-dam-blown-up-by-russians-1941 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/second-world-w...
    - wolverine876 3y ago
      Interesting, thanks, though only one incident. Do you know any sources on Russian military strategy?
actuator 3y ago
Footage coming out in the last two days showed heavy Ukraine armour losses, so I am not sure whether this is necessarily because Russians were on backfoot. The overflow would be higher towards South so it will hurt Russian defensive preparations more once the water has receded.
- tivert 3y ago
  > Footage coming out in the last two days showed heavy Ukraine armour losses, so I am not sure whether this is necessarily because Russians were on backfoot. Do you have any links about that?

coconut_crab 3y ago

- settlements on river banks will be swept away - the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, ZNPP, won't be restarted due to lack of cooling - Crimea will lost access to fresh water - First line of defence for both sides are swept away. - it will be harder for Ukraine side to mount an amphibious assault So it's a lose-lose situation for everyone.

Bootvis 3y ago
Not if you’re going to lose anyway
- deadbolt 3y ago
  Who does that apply to?
wkat4242 3y ago
I'm kinda happy for that power plant not to be restarted though. It's much better for it to be in a shutdown state if it finds itself in the middle of combat again. I know Ukraine needed the power but it getting damaged could cause problems far beyond Ukraine. One Chernobyl was enough. But I hope it has enough cooling water to cool its storage reservoirs. All the other effects are terrible of course :( And all favour Russia.
- Elhana 3y ago
  It was in shutdown state ever since it was taken by Russia and there were no plans to restart it until the end of the conflict.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Oh ok I read somewhere they wanted to restart it soon. In that case it's also a bad outcome of this dam bust indeed :(
- eenokentee 3y ago
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Scarblac 3y ago

It's firstly a gigantic humanitarian disaster with likely many many dead, pure act of terrorism.

DanHulton 3y ago
Not the first, almost certainly won't be the last.

dehrmann 3y ago

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