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Military whistleblower claims US has UFO retrieval program

34 points by graderjs 3y ago

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dankle 3y ago
Right
throwaway888abc 3y ago
Link to story https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us-ufo-retrieval-program/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us...
King-Aaron 3y ago
Is newsnation a legitimate outlet? Being a non-American I'd never heard of this, and when the reporter starts with "Earning your trust every night!" I wonder if these guys are just tabloid reporters? I find this a fascinating topic, but for every piece of news that seems legitimate there's 10 that feel like nonsense. (It is "fun" to read this kind of stuff though)
- b33j0r 3y ago
  American here. I’ve never heard of it, and I read the news all day. It is very well written if it’s fake, but I mean I could hypothetically do that too… If it’s even a real article, “whistleblower” is a busted term in the US right now. Rather than referring to some Erin Brokovitch, it currently means “an interest group has become aware of an allegation!” I mean. Anyone can make an allegation. It doesn’t cost money unless you are doing fraud or defamation someone cares about. Dangerous examples have manifested as a tit-for-tat thing in congress, lately. But. No one’s going to believe criminal intent or sue me for saying that President David Blaine, Esq, was observed disappearing at the White House Easter Egg Hunt. So I can kinda just say it. If I said it on a platform watched by conspiracy theorists, with intent, it might be different, but almost certainly not.
  - graderjs 3y ago
    Um, it's a video, not an article, hahaha! :)
    - King-Aaron 3y ago
      https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us-ufo-retrieval-program/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us...
      - graderjs 3y ago
        Yes! That is an article. The post link is a video. Ha ha ha! :)
        b33j0r 3y ago
        Possibly silly to nit-pick, but there were both. Maybe I had to click somewhere, but I certainly both watched and read the NewsNation piece.
        graderjs 3y ago
        Yes, that's what I'm saying. My post was a video! But there's also an article, ha ha ha! :) There's lots of content about this story now. And the Guardian and Fox have now picked it up. Which is good I guess. Apparently there will be much more testimony from Grusch dropping on the "Need to Know" podcast soon.
        King-Aaron 3y ago
        > ha ha ha! :) I'm still not convinced you're not a bot considering how 90% of your posts contain this string
        graderjs 3y ago
        Ha ha ha! :) I wonder what perturbed you in what I said that you got to pretend that! Ha ha ha! :)
- graderjs 3y ago
  Ha ha ha, well it's covering this story, so that's good! Is that a problem for you? This is a video interview with David Grusch, the guy who is the subject of the Debrief story^0. Is that going to change what he says for you? Mainstream media's failed by not covering this story so far^1 Ha ha ha! :) It's bigger than Snowden! :) 0: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re... 1: https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370 https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370
  - King-Aaron 3y ago
    If i've literally never heard of the website, news outlet, whistleblower, reporters, or any of the other entities involved in an article... Then yes, it is worth asking for alternative sources or an insight into the legitimacy of the outlet. I don't really know why you'd be so obtuse about that?
    - graderjs 3y ago
      Ha ha ha! :) Am I? Or are you being obtuse by not being aware of it? These allegations are too hot to be covered by the mainstream media! Ha ha ha! :)
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  - hypnotode 3y ago
    Just out of curiosity, do you hold all of the other claims made by those featured on ancient aliens to be credible, or just specific researchers? If the later, what criteria have you used to distinguish between that which you do and do not believe?
    - graderjs 3y ago
      Well you sound like you're doubting your own process. So that's good! First step. You also sound like you have trouble seeing things through other people's eyes, that's also good! Where you should go next! Mind expansion without drugs. You're welcome! Ha ha ha! :)
- sacnoradhq 3y ago
  It's a half headline news meets "CNN" spun from the remains of WGN. They're centrist, if not marginally apolitical, roughly approximating Walter Cronkite.
rhaway84773 3y ago
Ok. Let’s accept this whistleblower is saying the truth and the U.S. has been secretly retrieving crashed UFOs. Is there something special about the US’s landmass that UFOs only crash there? Or do superior alien life forms who have the capability to travel between planets and probably solar systems, for some reason are only interested in the U.S. when they come to explore the earth? If not, then where are all the other UFOs crashing on the rest of the planet? Who’s recovering them secretly? Why don’t UFOs ever crash into dense urban areas? Why do UFOs never crash into the vast majority of areas of the planet which simply lack the secrets preserving capability ascribed to US government by all these “whistle blowers”? The “random US military guy claiming a govt conspiracy to hide UFOs” claims collapse at the slightest bit of probing. What it does indicate, however, is either a media that’s intentionally or unintentionally extremely credulous to claims of UFOs from the military and/or the U.S. military is just filled with undisciplined crazies.
- King-Aaron 3y ago
  Well there have been other places to have reported objects crash landing - Brazil, France and Russia being the most commonly cited examples from what I've heard about. I think it's a fascinating topic for discussion - while not necessarily believing there's some extra terrestrial conspiracy or what not - but I don't think the argument of 'it only happens in america' is strictly fair
- graderjs 3y ago
  No, but the US as the global superpower is most threatened by the appearance of a superior authority, so they have the most interest in creating a counterintelligence campaign about the topic, hence why the US seems obsessed with creating UFO info (and disinfo). But there's actually a lot from other countries, if you look into it. But you do have to research it, and you might not want to, leaving you with the impression you currently have! Ha ha ha :)
- _zzaw 3y ago
  I'm personally highly skeptical of the claims he's making—or that extraterrestrials are here in any capacity—but to take a stab at your questions: - the folks who do believe in UFOs would say these crashes happen worldwide, but it's countries like the US/Russia who use their influence to swoop in, recover the pieces and then mount a coverup. - UFOs have been sighted over urban areas, although it's rarer. If I were a UFO pilot, I'd probably avoid cities for the same reason the USAF doesn't fly classified aircraft over urban areas either (at least during the day) I don't know what his angle is here—fame, mental issues, a genuine belief that he's onto something. I'll admit the recent focus on these things has aroused my curiosity, but like I said, aliens aren't at the top of my "credible explanations" list.
Finnucane 3y ago
Has he gotten into Bob Lazar’s stash?
noobermin 3y ago
The fact that the whistleblower is going public at a somewhat unknown network "NewsNation" either throws shade over the story or perhaps is a sign that no one believes the whistleblower. At first, I couldn't really find a reputable source about this, but there is this new york mag article[0] which cites him (which cites the debrief article another comment shared), so there's that. [0] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/ex-intel-official-government-hiding-alien-tech.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/ex-intel-official-go...
- graderjs 3y ago
  Ha ha ha! :) This is a video interview of the whistleblower covered in this Debrief story: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re... Mainstream media has been asked to not cover the allegations of criminal activity in illegal black programs without congressional oversight: https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370 https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370
SkyMarshal 3y ago
This is either the mother of all CIA psyops trying to frighten US adversaries, or it’s real, or both.
- graderjs 3y ago
  I think it's both. They'd be remiss not to use it as a psyop. Ha ha ha! :) But part of the allegations are a decades long psyop against the American people. This story is bigger than Snowden. People need to be writing to their representatives! Ha ha ha! :)
keernan 3y ago
The one thing that impresses me is his attorney... his whistleblower complaint was filed by Charles McCullough. The 2010 Intelligence Authorization Act formally established the Office of the Inspector General of the United States Intelligence Community within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The first Inspector General of the Intelligence Community - appointed in 2010 - was Charles McCullough. He reported directly to James Clapper, National Director of Intelligence. On the other hand, the thing that has me very skeptical, is his claim that countries around the globe have been in open competition to retrieve this vehicles and all of the countries have somehow kept everything secret for over 50 years. I just don't find that credible. One part I find highly credible. The other highly suspect. In such circumstances, I the skeptic in me forces me to weigh in on its side.
- erdos4d 3y ago
  > On the other hand, the thing that has me very skeptical, is his claim that countries around the globe have been in open competition to retrieve this vehicles and all of the countries have somehow kept everything secret for over 50 years. I just don't find that credible. It's not a secret though. Throughout my life I have heard this same story, from lots of people, though it has always been lore and they usually want to know your take on it. Many people will tell you they believe it if they trust you. There have been whistleblowers on this before as well, and each has been discredited and their claims denied, often with implication that they are crazy. The establishment line has always been that if you are into this, you must also be a nut, and so on. I don't find it too hard to believe that the government made a decision to just deny the truth and slander those who spoke it, rather than try to contain it. That's really their only move for a secret too big to keep.
jfengel 3y ago
Maybe they've come to steal our ability to steer. They come umpteen bajillion miles, and then crash at the destination. Not once, but multiple times.
thedangler 3y ago
The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

34 points by graderjs 3y ago

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dankle 3y ago

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throwaway888abc 3y ago

Link to story https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us-ufo-retrieval-program/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us...

King-Aaron 3y ago

Is newsnation a legitimate outlet? Being a non-American I'd never heard of this, and when the reporter starts with "Earning your trust every night!" I wonder if these guys are just tabloid reporters? I find this a fascinating topic, but for every piece of news that seems legitimate there's 10 that feel like nonsense. (It is "fun" to read this kind of stuff though)

b33j0r 3y ago
American here. I’ve never heard of it, and I read the news all day. It is very well written if it’s fake, but I mean I could hypothetically do that too… If it’s even a real article, “whistleblower” is a busted term in the US right now. Rather than referring to some Erin Brokovitch, it currently means “an interest group has become aware of an allegation!” I mean. Anyone can make an allegation. It doesn’t cost money unless you are doing fraud or defamation someone cares about. Dangerous examples have manifested as a tit-for-tat thing in congress, lately. But. No one’s going to believe criminal intent or sue me for saying that President David Blaine, Esq, was observed disappearing at the White House Easter Egg Hunt. So I can kinda just say it. If I said it on a platform watched by conspiracy theorists, with intent, it might be different, but almost certainly not.
- graderjs 3y ago
  Um, it's a video, not an article, hahaha! :)
  - King-Aaron 3y ago
    https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us-ufo-retrieval-program/ https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/military-whistleblowe-us...
    - graderjs 3y ago
      Yes! That is an article. The post link is a video. Ha ha ha! :)
      - b33j0r 3y ago
        Possibly silly to nit-pick, but there were both. Maybe I had to click somewhere, but I certainly both watched and read the NewsNation piece.
        graderjs 3y ago
        Yes, that's what I'm saying. My post was a video! But there's also an article, ha ha ha! :) There's lots of content about this story now. And the Guardian and Fox have now picked it up. Which is good I guess. Apparently there will be much more testimony from Grusch dropping on the "Need to Know" podcast soon.
        King-Aaron 3y ago
        > ha ha ha! :) I'm still not convinced you're not a bot considering how 90% of your posts contain this string
        graderjs 3y ago
        Ha ha ha! :) I wonder what perturbed you in what I said that you got to pretend that! Ha ha ha! :)
graderjs 3y ago
Ha ha ha, well it's covering this story, so that's good! Is that a problem for you? This is a video interview with David Grusch, the guy who is the subject of the Debrief story^0. Is that going to change what he says for you? Mainstream media's failed by not covering this story so far^1 Ha ha ha! :) It's bigger than Snowden! :) 0: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re... 1: https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370 https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370
- King-Aaron 3y ago
  If i've literally never heard of the website, news outlet, whistleblower, reporters, or any of the other entities involved in an article... Then yes, it is worth asking for alternative sources or an insight into the legitimacy of the outlet. I don't really know why you'd be so obtuse about that?
  - graderjs 3y ago
    Ha ha ha! :) Am I? Or are you being obtuse by not being aware of it? These allegations are too hot to be covered by the mainstream media! Ha ha ha! :)
    - deleted 3y ago
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- hypnotode 3y ago
  Just out of curiosity, do you hold all of the other claims made by those featured on ancient aliens to be credible, or just specific researchers? If the later, what criteria have you used to distinguish between that which you do and do not believe?
  - graderjs 3y ago
    Well you sound like you're doubting your own process. So that's good! First step. You also sound like you have trouble seeing things through other people's eyes, that's also good! Where you should go next! Mind expansion without drugs. You're welcome! Ha ha ha! :)
sacnoradhq 3y ago
It's a half headline news meets "CNN" spun from the remains of WGN. They're centrist, if not marginally apolitical, roughly approximating Walter Cronkite.

rhaway84773 3y ago

Ok. Let’s accept this whistleblower is saying the truth and the U.S. has been secretly retrieving crashed UFOs. Is there something special about the US’s landmass that UFOs only crash there? Or do superior alien life forms who have the capability to travel between planets and probably solar systems, for some reason are only interested in the U.S. when they come to explore the earth? If not, then where are all the other UFOs crashing on the rest of the planet? Who’s recovering them secretly? Why don’t UFOs ever crash into dense urban areas? Why do UFOs never crash into the vast majority of areas of the planet which simply lack the secrets preserving capability ascribed to US government by all these “whistle blowers”? The “random US military guy claiming a govt conspiracy to hide UFOs” claims collapse at the slightest bit of probing. What it does indicate, however, is either a media that’s intentionally or unintentionally extremely credulous to claims of UFOs from the military and/or the U.S. military is just filled with undisciplined crazies.

King-Aaron 3y ago
Well there have been other places to have reported objects crash landing - Brazil, France and Russia being the most commonly cited examples from what I've heard about. I think it's a fascinating topic for discussion - while not necessarily believing there's some extra terrestrial conspiracy or what not - but I don't think the argument of 'it only happens in america' is strictly fair
graderjs 3y ago
No, but the US as the global superpower is most threatened by the appearance of a superior authority, so they have the most interest in creating a counterintelligence campaign about the topic, hence why the US seems obsessed with creating UFO info (and disinfo). But there's actually a lot from other countries, if you look into it. But you do have to research it, and you might not want to, leaving you with the impression you currently have! Ha ha ha :)
_zzaw 3y ago
I'm personally highly skeptical of the claims he's making—or that extraterrestrials are here in any capacity—but to take a stab at your questions: - the folks who do believe in UFOs would say these crashes happen worldwide, but it's countries like the US/Russia who use their influence to swoop in, recover the pieces and then mount a coverup. - UFOs have been sighted over urban areas, although it's rarer. If I were a UFO pilot, I'd probably avoid cities for the same reason the USAF doesn't fly classified aircraft over urban areas either (at least during the day) I don't know what his angle is here—fame, mental issues, a genuine belief that he's onto something. I'll admit the recent focus on these things has aroused my curiosity, but like I said, aliens aren't at the top of my "credible explanations" list.

Finnucane 3y ago

Has he gotten into Bob Lazar’s stash?

noobermin 3y ago

The fact that the whistleblower is going public at a somewhat unknown network "NewsNation" either throws shade over the story or perhaps is a sign that no one believes the whistleblower. At first, I couldn't really find a reputable source about this, but there is this new york mag article[0] which cites him (which cites the debrief article another comment shared), so there's that. [0] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/ex-intel-official-government-hiding-alien-tech.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/06/ex-intel-official-go...

graderjs 3y ago
Ha ha ha! :) This is a video interview of the whistleblower covered in this Debrief story: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-re... Mainstream media has been asked to not cover the allegations of criminal activity in illegal black programs without congressional oversight: https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370 https://youtu.be/rQjbFZT9_EM?t=1370

SkyMarshal 3y ago

This is either the mother of all CIA psyops trying to frighten US adversaries, or it’s real, or both.

graderjs 3y ago
I think it's both. They'd be remiss not to use it as a psyop. Ha ha ha! :) But part of the allegations are a decades long psyop against the American people. This story is bigger than Snowden. People need to be writing to their representatives! Ha ha ha! :)

keernan 3y ago

The one thing that impresses me is his attorney... his whistleblower complaint was filed by Charles McCullough. The 2010 Intelligence Authorization Act formally established the Office of the Inspector General of the United States Intelligence Community within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. The first Inspector General of the Intelligence Community - appointed in 2010 - was Charles McCullough. He reported directly to James Clapper, National Director of Intelligence. On the other hand, the thing that has me very skeptical, is his claim that countries around the globe have been in open competition to retrieve this vehicles and all of the countries have somehow kept everything secret for over 50 years. I just don't find that credible. One part I find highly credible. The other highly suspect. In such circumstances, I the skeptic in me forces me to weigh in on its side.

erdos4d 3y ago
> On the other hand, the thing that has me very skeptical, is his claim that countries around the globe have been in open competition to retrieve this vehicles and all of the countries have somehow kept everything secret for over 50 years. I just don't find that credible. It's not a secret though. Throughout my life I have heard this same story, from lots of people, though it has always been lore and they usually want to know your take on it. Many people will tell you they believe it if they trust you. There have been whistleblowers on this before as well, and each has been discredited and their claims denied, often with implication that they are crazy. The establishment line has always been that if you are into this, you must also be a nut, and so on. I don't find it too hard to believe that the government made a decision to just deny the truth and slander those who spoke it, rather than try to contain it. That's really their only move for a secret too big to keep.

jfengel 3y ago

Maybe they've come to steal our ability to steer. They come umpteen bajillion miles, and then crash at the destination. Not once, but multiple times.

thedangler 3y ago

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works