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Modulo the whole isolation paranoia thing, sure. I preordered an original Vive way back in 2016 or whatever so I think it's fair to say I know how hot, sweaty,

Modulo the whole isolation paranoia thing, sure. I preordered an original Vive way back in 2016 or whatever so I think it's fair to say I know how hot, sweaty, and unpleasant some VR headsets can get. However (again, modulo the isolation paranoia thing which I think is just completely silly) I am not a person who thinks it's impossible to make a VR/AR headset that doesn't suck to use. What can Apple do for several times the price of any extant consumer headset? I'm interested to find out!

taeric 3y ago
It may be paranoia, but it matches my experience with the PS5 vr. Amazing experience and I love playing it. You have absolutely no connection to folks in the room with you.
- caconym_ 3y ago
  I'm talking about this sudden insistence that using screens by yourself, possibly in private, implies that you're some kind of antisocial shut-in. In fact: I can spend 8 hours playing Elite in VR one day, go out with my friends the next, binge-watch LOTR with my wife the day after that, and then spend a day cranking out a 3000 word manuscript in total distraction-free isolation. These things can all exist in one person, and already do!
  - taeric 3y ago
    I think I agree. That you can use it for social isolation from those in the room with you is fine, in itself. But this is akin to promoting headphones because they increase your social/situational awareness. Which is laughably false. Such that the complaint here isn't the "by yourself, possibly in private" implications. It is the "in your home, surrounded by family" implication. You may be surrounded by them, but you are definitely isolated from them.
    - caconym_ 3y ago
      I do think (to whatever extent Apple is pushing it) the marketing angle that this headset will enhance in-person social interactions is pretty silly. But I also see it as inevitable PR fluff and distinct from the real compelling use cases this headset could offer.
      - taeric 3y ago
        Fair.

taeric 3y ago

It may be paranoia, but it matches my experience with the PS5 vr. Amazing experience and I love playing it. You have absolutely no connection to folks in the room with you.

caconym_ 3y ago
I'm talking about this sudden insistence that using screens by yourself, possibly in private, implies that you're some kind of antisocial shut-in. In fact: I can spend 8 hours playing Elite in VR one day, go out with my friends the next, binge-watch LOTR with my wife the day after that, and then spend a day cranking out a 3000 word manuscript in total distraction-free isolation. These things can all exist in one person, and already do!
- taeric 3y ago
  I think I agree. That you can use it for social isolation from those in the room with you is fine, in itself. But this is akin to promoting headphones because they increase your social/situational awareness. Which is laughably false. Such that the complaint here isn't the "by yourself, possibly in private" implications. It is the "in your home, surrounded by family" implication. You may be surrounded by them, but you are definitely isolated from them.
  - caconym_ 3y ago
    I do think (to whatever extent Apple is pushing it) the marketing angle that this headset will enhance in-person social interactions is pretty silly. But I also see it as inevitable PR fluff and distinct from the real compelling use cases this headset could offer.
    - taeric 3y ago
      Fair.