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Yup -- I was a bit disappointed that it can only simulate a single monitor, but I guess since it's working wirelessly there's bandwidth limitations. Ideally I'

Yup -- I was a bit disappointed that it can only simulate a single monitor, but I guess since it's working wirelessly there's bandwidth limitations. Ideally I'd love it if I could simulate a 3 monitor workstation. Maybe for the next iteration.

andromeduck 3y ago
That doesn't make sense though. You don't need to render/composite what isn't visible.
ozten 3y ago
Maybe. They told an easy to understand story in 10 seconds. Apple is amazing at educating the customer.
sircastor 3y ago
If you can put up all the windows from your 3 display workstation, why would you want to simulate displays? There’s a similar approach available for the Meta quest 2 (and I’m sure the quest pro and quest 3) but it takes a little reorienting to stop thinking in terms of “screens”
- warning26 3y ago
  From what they showed, you can’t break the windows out of the screen mirror rectangle. You’re right though, if they allowed windows to freely float, it would also solve the issue.
  - sircastor 3y ago
    I assume they would be apps running on the device, rather than on a remote machine.
    - warning26 3y ago
      Ah yes, but those apps appear to be just some kind of iOS type thing, so at least for me I couldn’t really use them for productivity. (The lack of coding tools on iOS also really kills any possible productive uses of my iPad in this way, unfortunately) (That’s why I was focusing more on the mirror-your-Mac functionality)
      - zeven7 3y ago
        We might be at a point where that could change. This device seems like it could be close to providing the performance needed to start running productivity apps, and it also provides the screen real estate. Those types of apps have to be coming to iOS in the next few years.
        kaba0 3y ago
        Ipads could do that for years and yet nothing. Hopefully with the EU laws it will change though.
        warning26 3y ago
        Exactly -- my iPad has the same SOC as my laptop, and my laptop is amazingly useful while my iPad is useful for...watching movies and Safari.
  - mch82 3y ago
    Check out the “Platform State of the Union” video stream for more detail on that. They discuss windows, volumes, shared space, spaces. https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/102 https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/102
- Corrado 3y ago
  Wow, this makes me think of the fabled zooming interface[0]. Why limit yourself to a "monitor" or a set of windows when the sky's (literally) the limit? With a ZUI you could have the entire world at your fingertips. Browser history (or git commits) could just be further away from you in the Z direction. Or maybe it's behind you and you just have to turn around to see it. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface
  - aaroninsf 3y ago
    oh hell yash The way I mentally organize projects would make this both deeply compelling and useful, and a total disaster lol
  - WorldMaker 3y ago
    An old, ancient term for it is "Spatial UI". The window you need is right where you left it in the other room; navigating between your apps becomes like navigating around your house. Your coding apps are in your office and your social media apps in your bedroom and now you won't get the two confused and "accidentally" scroll social media while working. In some ways this is particularly great, because humans involved to have a lot of spatial memory in this way. (It's an interesting footnote here that the early pre-OS X Mac OS Finder was sometimes much beloved [or hated, depending on your OCD predilection and/or personality type] because it was a Spatial UI. Files and folders would "stay" where you placed them and you could have and build all sorts of interesting muscle memory of where on your desktop a file was or even a deep tree of folder navigations, with scenic landmarks along the way. Apple discarded that a long time ago now, but there was something delightful in that old Spatial UI.)
    - Mmadden95 3y ago
      Have you ever tried using https://www.switchboard.app/ https://www.switchboard.app/?
  - Mmadden95 3y ago
    On that ZUI - have you ever tried out https://www.switchboard.app/ https://www.switchboard.app/? If so what are your thoughts? I thought it was okay.

andromeduck 3y ago

That doesn't make sense though. You don't need to render/composite what isn't visible.

ozten 3y ago

Maybe. They told an easy to understand story in 10 seconds. Apple is amazing at educating the customer.

sircastor 3y ago

If you can put up all the windows from your 3 display workstation, why would you want to simulate displays? There’s a similar approach available for the Meta quest 2 (and I’m sure the quest pro and quest 3) but it takes a little reorienting to stop thinking in terms of “screens”

warning26 3y ago
From what they showed, you can’t break the windows out of the screen mirror rectangle. You’re right though, if they allowed windows to freely float, it would also solve the issue.
- sircastor 3y ago
  I assume they would be apps running on the device, rather than on a remote machine.
  - warning26 3y ago
    Ah yes, but those apps appear to be just some kind of iOS type thing, so at least for me I couldn’t really use them for productivity. (The lack of coding tools on iOS also really kills any possible productive uses of my iPad in this way, unfortunately) (That’s why I was focusing more on the mirror-your-Mac functionality)
    - zeven7 3y ago
      We might be at a point where that could change. This device seems like it could be close to providing the performance needed to start running productivity apps, and it also provides the screen real estate. Those types of apps have to be coming to iOS in the next few years.
      - kaba0 3y ago
        Ipads could do that for years and yet nothing. Hopefully with the EU laws it will change though.
        warning26 3y ago
        Exactly -- my iPad has the same SOC as my laptop, and my laptop is amazingly useful while my iPad is useful for...watching movies and Safari.
- mch82 3y ago
  Check out the “Platform State of the Union” video stream for more detail on that. They discuss windows, volumes, shared space, spaces. https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/102 https://developer.apple.com/wwdc23/102
Corrado 3y ago
Wow, this makes me think of the fabled zooming interface[0]. Why limit yourself to a "monitor" or a set of windows when the sky's (literally) the limit? With a ZUI you could have the entire world at your fingertips. Browser history (or git commits) could just be further away from you in the Z direction. Or maybe it's behind you and you just have to turn around to see it. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface
- aaroninsf 3y ago
  oh hell yash The way I mentally organize projects would make this both deeply compelling and useful, and a total disaster lol
- WorldMaker 3y ago
  An old, ancient term for it is "Spatial UI". The window you need is right where you left it in the other room; navigating between your apps becomes like navigating around your house. Your coding apps are in your office and your social media apps in your bedroom and now you won't get the two confused and "accidentally" scroll social media while working. In some ways this is particularly great, because humans involved to have a lot of spatial memory in this way. (It's an interesting footnote here that the early pre-OS X Mac OS Finder was sometimes much beloved [or hated, depending on your OCD predilection and/or personality type] because it was a Spatial UI. Files and folders would "stay" where you placed them and you could have and build all sorts of interesting muscle memory of where on your desktop a file was or even a deep tree of folder navigations, with scenic landmarks along the way. Apple discarded that a long time ago now, but there was something delightful in that old Spatial UI.)
  - Mmadden95 3y ago
    Have you ever tried using https://www.switchboard.app/ https://www.switchboard.app/?
- Mmadden95 3y ago
  On that ZUI - have you ever tried out https://www.switchboard.app/ https://www.switchboard.app/? If so what are your thoughts? I thought it was okay.