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The other big one is "up to". Up to 50% faster* *In cold climates, on a fresh install, cabled.

by dahwolf 3y ago

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okamiueru 3y ago
*compared to their own offerings half a decade older than the current mid-range competition.
- joshspankit 3y ago
  This was probably the only thing they said that got me riled up. Of course your new one is a multiple faster than the very old and very outdated previous one. Comparing old-when-they-came-out-and-that-was-still-a-while-ago Intel chips to current-gen MX chips is borderline unethical.
  - okamiueru 3y ago
    Absolutely unethical. And, also highly effective. Together with the placebo effect, the walled garden, sunk cost, etc, it is almost impossible to convince some otherwise very intelligent people that the number crunching, if that is the primary workload, is a fraction of other systems.
    - okamiueru 3y ago
      Just as a little comparison: - AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX, released Q1 2023 has 2x the performance of M2 Max 12 core, also released in Q1 2023. Throw in a dedicated GPU, and certain tasks that would take 1 hour, will have you wait until the next day on a M2. That isn't to say that one is better value than the other, all that stuff is subjective, and depends on needs, blablabla. Just that the original claim of "3x faster than what's on the market", was such a misleading statement when they were comparing it to their old antiquated laptop intel CPUs offerings. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5232vs5183vs4782vs3862vs5234/AMD-Ryzen-9-7945HX-vs-Apple-M2-Max-12-Core-3680-MHz-vs-Apple-M1-Ultra-20-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-7950X3D https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5232vs5183vs4782vs3862v...
Someone 3y ago
“Up to” is legalese, I think. If you say “x% faster” and there is anything that isn’t x% faster on the new hardware, you may be taken to court and lose. You’ll also always find a footnote on such claims explaining testing methodology. See for example the long list at https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-13-and-15-m2/#footnote-1 https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-13-and-15-m2/#footnote-1.

The other big one is "up to". Up to 50% faster* *In cold climates, on a fresh install, cabled.

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okamiueru 3y ago

*compared to their own offerings half a decade older than the current mid-range competition.

joshspankit 3y ago
This was probably the only thing they said that got me riled up. Of course your new one is a multiple faster than the very old and very outdated previous one. Comparing old-when-they-came-out-and-that-was-still-a-while-ago Intel chips to current-gen MX chips is borderline unethical.
- okamiueru 3y ago
  Absolutely unethical. And, also highly effective. Together with the placebo effect, the walled garden, sunk cost, etc, it is almost impossible to convince some otherwise very intelligent people that the number crunching, if that is the primary workload, is a fraction of other systems.
  - okamiueru 3y ago
    Just as a little comparison: - AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX, released Q1 2023 has 2x the performance of M2 Max 12 core, also released in Q1 2023. Throw in a dedicated GPU, and certain tasks that would take 1 hour, will have you wait until the next day on a M2. That isn't to say that one is better value than the other, all that stuff is subjective, and depends on needs, blablabla. Just that the original claim of "3x faster than what's on the market", was such a misleading statement when they were comparing it to their old antiquated laptop intel CPUs offerings. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5232vs5183vs4782vs3862vs5234/AMD-Ryzen-9-7945HX-vs-Apple-M2-Max-12-Core-3680-MHz-vs-Apple-M1-Ultra-20-Core-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-5950X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-9-7950X3D https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5232vs5183vs4782vs3862v...

Someone 3y ago

“Up to” is legalese, I think. If you say “x% faster” and there is anything that isn’t x% faster on the new hardware, you may be taken to court and lose. You’ll also always find a footnote on such claims explaining testing methodology. See for example the long list at https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-13-and-15-m2/#footnote-1 https://www.apple.com/macbook-air-13-and-15-m2/#footnote-1.