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So you are suggesting that Apple can do no wrong and therefore we shouldn't criticize any of their products? And you believe you are positively contributing to

So you are suggesting that Apple can do no wrong and therefore we shouldn't criticize any of their products? And you believe you are positively contributing to this thread?

alimov 3y ago
Doesn’t seem like they are suggesting that apple can do no wrong. Just pointing out that this is similar to other major Apple announcements. I found their contribution interesting, I’m not sure why you feel the need to be hostile about it.
- rospaya 3y ago
  Because I see the same comment on every single criticism of Apple product announcements, basically implying that Apple isn't capable of doing wrong and that any criticism will just be in vain. The passive aggression is ugly, it's not a healthy environment for discussion and (as the kids say) simping for a massive company is just plain disgusting.
- toyg 3y ago
  Similar to the Newton launch too. And quite a few of their "revolutionary" laptops that ended up being expensive duds.
Isamu 3y ago
Of course, Apple have had some bombs. And it is instructive to look at them and assess where they went wrong versus the the times they were right. But the commentary that happens every time they launch a new product is not very predictive of success.
khazhoux 3y ago
It's a perfectly valid counter to all the people who posted today, on day zero and months from getting any hands-on time with the Vision Pro, that it must surely be destined to failure, and even worthy of ridicule. I feel like the people at Apple (and similar companies) are pushing their imaginations and very obviously taking a huge risk, whereas all the nay-sayers are just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, and passing judgement accordingly. I have no idea if Vision Pro will succeed, but as a technologist, I'll spend today thinking of ways it might surprise me for the better, rather than the ways in which it may fall short.
- qwytw 3y ago
  > whereas all the nay-sayers are just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, and passing judgement accordingly. How would you expect progress to occur? Company releases a product users criticize it and make fun of it company/competitors either drop the idea or come up with an improved version. What's wrong about that? Why would anyone care about hurting a massive corporation's feelings? Let's not anthropomorphize them... > just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, Well it's pretty clear that Vision Pro is very expensive and has no clear use cases. And most criticism is almost entirely focused on these two aspects. > I'll spend today thinking of ways it might surprise me for the better, rather than the ways in which it may fall short. So instead of thinking of ways how something could be improved you'll just try to figure out how to make the best of what you have? Best approaches are perfectly viable and reasonable depending on the situation.
  - khazhoux 3y ago
    The critiques that I find unhelpful (and, disappointing for anyone who would claim to love technology) are the simple "This is just a useless device for watching Netflix and that's stupid." This is obviously a very challenging value-proposition. No one is confused about how risky this is. It was undoubtedly on the Apple chopping block many many times. But I find it infinitely more useful when people see a challenging problem and push themselves to think how it might possibly be useful, over what seems to be just quick and obvious dismissals.

So you are suggesting that Apple can do no wrong and therefore we shouldn't criticize any of their products? And you believe you are positively contributing to this thread?

alimov 3y ago

Doesn’t seem like they are suggesting that apple can do no wrong. Just pointing out that this is similar to other major Apple announcements. I found their contribution interesting, I’m not sure why you feel the need to be hostile about it.

rospaya 3y ago
Because I see the same comment on every single criticism of Apple product announcements, basically implying that Apple isn't capable of doing wrong and that any criticism will just be in vain. The passive aggression is ugly, it's not a healthy environment for discussion and (as the kids say) simping for a massive company is just plain disgusting.
toyg 3y ago
Similar to the Newton launch too. And quite a few of their "revolutionary" laptops that ended up being expensive duds.

Isamu 3y ago

Of course, Apple have had some bombs. And it is instructive to look at them and assess where they went wrong versus the the times they were right. But the commentary that happens every time they launch a new product is not very predictive of success.

khazhoux 3y ago

It's a perfectly valid counter to all the people who posted today, on day zero and months from getting any hands-on time with the Vision Pro, that it must surely be destined to failure, and even worthy of ridicule. I feel like the people at Apple (and similar companies) are pushing their imaginations and very obviously taking a huge risk, whereas all the nay-sayers are just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, and passing judgement accordingly. I have no idea if Vision Pro will succeed, but as a technologist, I'll spend today thinking of ways it might surprise me for the better, rather than the ways in which it may fall short.

qwytw 3y ago
> whereas all the nay-sayers are just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, and passing judgement accordingly. How would you expect progress to occur? Company releases a product users criticize it and make fun of it company/competitors either drop the idea or come up with an improved version. What's wrong about that? Why would anyone care about hurting a massive corporation's feelings? Let's not anthropomorphize them... > just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, Well it's pretty clear that Vision Pro is very expensive and has no clear use cases. And most criticism is almost entirely focused on these two aspects. > I'll spend today thinking of ways it might surprise me for the better, rather than the ways in which it may fall short. So instead of thinking of ways how something could be improved you'll just try to figure out how to make the best of what you have? Best approaches are perfectly viable and reasonable depending on the situation.
- khazhoux 3y ago
  The critiques that I find unhelpful (and, disappointing for anyone who would claim to love technology) are the simple "This is just a useless device for watching Netflix and that's stupid." This is obviously a very challenging value-proposition. No one is confused about how risky this is. It was undoubtedly on the Apple chopping block many many times. But I find it infinitely more useful when people see a challenging problem and push themselves to think how it might possibly be useful, over what seems to be just quick and obvious dismissals.