4 ms·

Hey, I went into HN search myself to pull these quotes! It was actually quite fun, I recommend scrolling the old threads. In all seriousness, I think it is hel

Hey, I went into HN search myself to pull these quotes! It was actually quite fun, I recommend scrolling the old threads. In all seriousness, I think it is helpful context that people have ridiculed every Apple product launch since the iPhone.

rospaya 3y ago
So you are suggesting that Apple can do no wrong and therefore we shouldn't criticize any of their products? And you believe you are positively contributing to this thread?
- alimov 3y ago
  Doesn’t seem like they are suggesting that apple can do no wrong. Just pointing out that this is similar to other major Apple announcements. I found their contribution interesting, I’m not sure why you feel the need to be hostile about it.
  - rospaya 3y ago
    Because I see the same comment on every single criticism of Apple product announcements, basically implying that Apple isn't capable of doing wrong and that any criticism will just be in vain. The passive aggression is ugly, it's not a healthy environment for discussion and (as the kids say) simping for a massive company is just plain disgusting.
  - toyg 3y ago
    Similar to the Newton launch too. And quite a few of their "revolutionary" laptops that ended up being expensive duds.
- Isamu 3y ago
  Of course, Apple have had some bombs. And it is instructive to look at them and assess where they went wrong versus the the times they were right. But the commentary that happens every time they launch a new product is not very predictive of success.
- khazhoux 3y ago
  It's a perfectly valid counter to all the people who posted today, on day zero and months from getting any hands-on time with the Vision Pro, that it must surely be destined to failure, and even worthy of ridicule. I feel like the people at Apple (and similar companies) are pushing their imaginations and very obviously taking a huge risk, whereas all the nay-sayers are just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, and passing judgement accordingly. I have no idea if Vision Pro will succeed, but as a technologist, I'll spend today thinking of ways it might surprise me for the better, rather than the ways in which it may fall short.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    > whereas all the nay-sayers are just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, and passing judgement accordingly. How would you expect progress to occur? Company releases a product users criticize it and make fun of it company/competitors either drop the idea or come up with an improved version. What's wrong about that? Why would anyone care about hurting a massive corporation's feelings? Let's not anthropomorphize them... > just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, Well it's pretty clear that Vision Pro is very expensive and has no clear use cases. And most criticism is almost entirely focused on these two aspects. > I'll spend today thinking of ways it might surprise me for the better, rather than the ways in which it may fall short. So instead of thinking of ways how something could be improved you'll just try to figure out how to make the best of what you have? Best approaches are perfectly viable and reasonable depending on the situation.
    - khazhoux 3y ago
      The critiques that I find unhelpful (and, disappointing for anyone who would claim to love technology) are the simple "This is just a useless device for watching Netflix and that's stupid." This is obviously a very challenging value-proposition. No one is confused about how risky this is. It was undoubtedly on the Apple chopping block many many times. But I find it infinitely more useful when people see a challenging problem and push themselves to think how it might possibly be useful, over what seems to be just quick and obvious dismissals.
wfleming 3y ago
It dates to at least the iPod! https://m.slashdot.org/story/21026 https://m.slashdot.org/story/21026 Probably earlier: I remember people mocking the colorful iMacs. I’m sure you could dig up some pc magazine articles from the 90s dunking on the iMacs and iBooks :).
mckirk 3y ago
You might want to make it clearer that these are quotes by prepending '>'s. At least to me, this wasn't clear at first. That being said, I think it is interesting context to remind people of the immediate reactions to the other Apple launches of the recent past. Especially the headphone jack hits home for me, because I'm still a huge fan of the 3,5mn connector, but it fairly quickly became clear that the early widespread stance of 'I'll never buy a phone without a headphone jack!' soon turned into a somewhat lonely fight.
- granzymes 3y ago
  >You might want to make it clearer that these are quotes by prepending '>'s. At least to me, this wasn't clear at first. That's actually exactly the reaction I was going for.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  I've still never owned a phone without a headphone jack, and I never will. I do also use bluetooth in some situations, but wired earphones work much better, with greater reliability.
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

rospaya 3y ago

So you are suggesting that Apple can do no wrong and therefore we shouldn't criticize any of their products? And you believe you are positively contributing to this thread?

alimov 3y ago
Doesn’t seem like they are suggesting that apple can do no wrong. Just pointing out that this is similar to other major Apple announcements. I found their contribution interesting, I’m not sure why you feel the need to be hostile about it.
- rospaya 3y ago
  Because I see the same comment on every single criticism of Apple product announcements, basically implying that Apple isn't capable of doing wrong and that any criticism will just be in vain. The passive aggression is ugly, it's not a healthy environment for discussion and (as the kids say) simping for a massive company is just plain disgusting.
- toyg 3y ago
  Similar to the Newton launch too. And quite a few of their "revolutionary" laptops that ended up being expensive duds.
Isamu 3y ago
Of course, Apple have had some bombs. And it is instructive to look at them and assess where they went wrong versus the the times they were right. But the commentary that happens every time they launch a new product is not very predictive of success.
khazhoux 3y ago
It's a perfectly valid counter to all the people who posted today, on day zero and months from getting any hands-on time with the Vision Pro, that it must surely be destined to failure, and even worthy of ridicule. I feel like the people at Apple (and similar companies) are pushing their imaginations and very obviously taking a huge risk, whereas all the nay-sayers are just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, and passing judgement accordingly. I have no idea if Vision Pro will succeed, but as a technologist, I'll spend today thinking of ways it might surprise me for the better, rather than the ways in which it may fall short.
- qwytw 3y ago
  > whereas all the nay-sayers are just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, and passing judgement accordingly. How would you expect progress to occur? Company releases a product users criticize it and make fun of it company/competitors either drop the idea or come up with an improved version. What's wrong about that? Why would anyone care about hurting a massive corporation's feelings? Let's not anthropomorphize them... > just sitting comfortably in the boundaries of the world as they understand it, Well it's pretty clear that Vision Pro is very expensive and has no clear use cases. And most criticism is almost entirely focused on these two aspects. > I'll spend today thinking of ways it might surprise me for the better, rather than the ways in which it may fall short. So instead of thinking of ways how something could be improved you'll just try to figure out how to make the best of what you have? Best approaches are perfectly viable and reasonable depending on the situation.
  - khazhoux 3y ago
    The critiques that I find unhelpful (and, disappointing for anyone who would claim to love technology) are the simple "This is just a useless device for watching Netflix and that's stupid." This is obviously a very challenging value-proposition. No one is confused about how risky this is. It was undoubtedly on the Apple chopping block many many times. But I find it infinitely more useful when people see a challenging problem and push themselves to think how it might possibly be useful, over what seems to be just quick and obvious dismissals.

wfleming 3y ago

It dates to at least the iPod! https://m.slashdot.org/story/21026 https://m.slashdot.org/story/21026 Probably earlier: I remember people mocking the colorful iMacs. I’m sure you could dig up some pc magazine articles from the 90s dunking on the iMacs and iBooks :).

mckirk 3y ago

You might want to make it clearer that these are quotes by prepending '>'s. At least to me, this wasn't clear at first. That being said, I think it is interesting context to remind people of the immediate reactions to the other Apple launches of the recent past. Especially the headphone jack hits home for me, because I'm still a huge fan of the 3,5mn connector, but it fairly quickly became clear that the early widespread stance of 'I'll never buy a phone without a headphone jack!' soon turned into a somewhat lonely fight.

granzymes 3y ago
>You might want to make it clearer that these are quotes by prepending '>'s. At least to me, this wasn't clear at first. That's actually exactly the reaction I was going for.
JohnFen 3y ago
I've still never owned a phone without a headphone jack, and I never will. I do also use bluetooth in some situations, but wired earphones work much better, with greater reliability.

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]