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What do you think the odds are we can get H100s or equivalent in Mac Studio?

by jyu 3y ago

kristianp 3y ago
Nvidia gpus haven't been supported by Macs for a long time. Apple and Nvidia relations are not good for some reason.
- evilduck 3y ago
  https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-w... Nvidia had a knack for putting Apple into difficult situations.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    I think Apple is afraid of the AI people switching to CUDA and neglecting Apple's own accelerators. Whatever the case is, it's entirely petty - Nvidia still ships FreeBSD drivers and would probably gladly pick up Apple support again (at least for CUDA drivers). If it was as simple as "Nvidia was an unreliable hardware partner", they wouldn't go out of their way to arbitrarily limit the drivers you can run.
    - throw0101b 3y ago
      > […] Nvidia still ships FreeBSD drivers and would probably gladly pick up Apple support again (at least for CUDA drivers). Heck, Nvidia still ships Solaris drivers: * https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ I guess now that they have the infrastructure for these more niches OSes, it's not too hard to just keep going (especially if the kernel APIs are relatively stable).
    - threeseed 3y ago
      Apple doesn't arbitrarily limit the drivers you can run. And up until now there hasn't been a Mac Nvidia could even sell graphics cards for. Even now Mac Pro users will be such a tiny segment it's probably not worth the effort.
      - ssijak 3y ago
        you can connect external graphic cards via thunderbolt and external casings
    - evilduck 3y ago
      Apple’s icy relationship with Nvidia started right around when CUDA came into existence and before Metal ever existed. Nvidia created tensions between Apple and Intel and later handed Apple the headache of a class action lawsuit by knowingly shipping faulty GPUs. I think Apple Silicon and Metal vs CUDA might have been a strategic reason for not repairing that relationship but that came years later.
      - andrekandre 3y ago
        > knowingly shipping faulty GPUs. wow, how did i miss this... https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-w...

What do you think the odds are we can get H100s or equivalent in Mac Studio?

by jyu 3y ago

What do you think the odds are we can get H100s or equivalent in Mac Studio?

kristianp 3y ago

Nvidia gpus haven't been supported by Macs for a long time. Apple and Nvidia relations are not good for some reason.

evilduck 3y ago
https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-w... Nvidia had a knack for putting Apple into difficult situations.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  I think Apple is afraid of the AI people switching to CUDA and neglecting Apple's own accelerators. Whatever the case is, it's entirely petty - Nvidia still ships FreeBSD drivers and would probably gladly pick up Apple support again (at least for CUDA drivers). If it was as simple as "Nvidia was an unreliable hardware partner", they wouldn't go out of their way to arbitrarily limit the drivers you can run.
  - throw0101b 3y ago
    > […] Nvidia still ships FreeBSD drivers and would probably gladly pick up Apple support again (at least for CUDA drivers). Heck, Nvidia still ships Solaris drivers: * https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/ I guess now that they have the infrastructure for these more niches OSes, it's not too hard to just keep going (especially if the kernel APIs are relatively stable).
  - threeseed 3y ago
    Apple doesn't arbitrarily limit the drivers you can run. And up until now there hasn't been a Mac Nvidia could even sell graphics cards for. Even now Mac Pro users will be such a tiny segment it's probably not worth the effort.
    - ssijak 3y ago
      you can connect external graphic cards via thunderbolt and external casings
  - evilduck 3y ago
    Apple’s icy relationship with Nvidia started right around when CUDA came into existence and before Metal ever existed. Nvidia created tensions between Apple and Intel and later handed Apple the headache of a class action lawsuit by knowingly shipping faulty GPUs. I think Apple Silicon and Metal vs CUDA might have been a strategic reason for not repairing that relationship but that came years later.
    - andrekandre 3y ago
      > knowingly shipping faulty GPUs. wow, how did i miss this... https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-what-happened.html https://blog.greggant.com/posts/2021/10/13/apple-vs-nvidia-w...