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> Would I rather work on this all day instead of a laptop? That really is the $3,500 question. Can I see myself preferring to work streaming my Mac's screen to
by drrotmos 3y ago
> Would I rather work on this all day instead of a laptop?
That really is the $3,500 question. Can I see myself preferring to work streaming my Mac's screen to a Vision Pro for my IDE, having and things like Slack and e-mail off to the side running on the headset? I don't know, but if I can, this seems worth it to me.
- oezi 3y agoThe key question is if this thing will stay cool enough to be comfortable.
- donbongo 3y agoThis is the same question i'm asking myself too
- ARandumGuy 3y agoAll day is the key component. Most VR headsets recommend taking breaks every half hour, which isn't just a "cover your ass" warning. I know I can't use my personal headset for much longer without feeling woozy after I take it off. By comparison, I'm at my laptop for 7+ hours just for work. I would need to see compelling evidence that the Vision Pro is safe and comfortable to use for that long before I'd even consider replacing my laptop. And if it can't replace the computers or displays I use, then it's just a $3,500 gimmick.
- qintl55 3y agoThey say that the battery on that is ~2 hours (?) So probably not for work yet.
- mostlysimilar 3y agoIt can be plugged in for all-day use.
- asdff 3y agoYou can buy two or three and swap them out. Chicken scratch for a company when engineers cost so much these days anyhow.
- utopcell 3y agoThe problem is not the cost, it's the experience. You _could_ be carrying multiple laptop batteries with you also. It would make the laptop itself lighter and thinner, but it would be a larger hassle overall.
- xp84 3y agoI was disappointed to see that the battery cord, with the magnetic headset-side connector, seemed hardwired at the battery end. Though this is very in character for Apple. You can bet that each "battery with proprietary cord tail" will be at least $199. Look what they charge for an iPhone "battery pack" -- a $2 ring of magnets, a $5 battery, and a bit of plastic = $99. Given the initial cost is so high, it's both frustrating that they will continue to nickel and dime you, and at the same time unlikely that someone dropping that kind of money will even blink at buying an accessory which actually is less than the sales tax on the device itself.
- derefr 3y agoWho cares how much the Apple battery pack costs? Does literally anybody buy Apple's own MagSafe accessories instead of getting cheap third-party ones? I feel like this is similar to the Mac Pro coaster wheels: a case of consumers getting upset about something that was never meant to be sold "ala carte" to individuals in the first place; but rather only exists to be purchased in bulk on the Apple Business Store by institutional buyers who wants every component to be under warranty and able to be returned for depreciation, and who don't even look at the cost breakdown before clicking "Buy."
- imwillofficial 3y agoFacts
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- gnicholas 3y agoI work sitting in a chair, looking at a screen. If I were to work using one of these, I would just plug it in like my computer and screen currently are. Though it would be nice to go outside and work in my hammock, on a gigantic floating screen!
- RandallBrown 3y agoDepending on your work, I imagine you'll still want a desk for typing. I can't imagine writing code using only my voice.
- gnicholas 3y agoI have a lap desk with a BT keyboard and trackpad. I assume I'd want to bring the keyboard to my imaginary hammock desk. The trackpad (and lap desk) might not be necessary, assuming that pointer manipulation can be done via gestures. I agree that dictation would not be enough for most people. I don't code, but writing emails is not a fun experience with Apple's current speech-to-text offerings.
- golergka 3y agoThey have just integrated transformers into autocorrect though
- gnicholas 3y agoThat may help, but it won't fix the fact that there's not an easy syntax for editing words/phrases as you go, or at least not as efficiently as you can edit on a computer. They do offer some ways to do this if you use certain accessibility features, but without those turned on it is very difficult (if not impossible) to edit text with your voice. Perhaps they will open this up a bit for the new OS, since many people will use it sans keyboard.
- c1b 3y agoIts AR
- briandear 3y agoYou can plug it in directly too. It’s not just battery packs.
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- asdff 3y agoTo be fair you are supposed to get up, walk around, and refocus your eyes on something far away every 20 mins or so no matter what computer you are using.
- brookst 3y agoHeadsets focus your eyes much further away than desktop monitors. Standing and walking, though, they're still going to be important.
- BowBun 3y agoBut that isn't fair, since we know a vast majority of all-day computer users don't do this. The impact that a screen inches from your eyeballs has on you physically is simply higher, although both carry costs.
- interestica 3y agoThey did mention that their dual chip pipeline/low latency reduces the "woozy" effects (because it lines up better with what your brain is expecting I guess). It will be interesting to see
- mgrandl 3y agoI can 100% see myself preferring working on this thing over a Mac, as long as I don’t need a Mac to host my dev environment.
- byteware 3y agoI mean, depending on the work using it as a thin client would make the most sense imo, compiling still takes a toll on the battery life even with m2 magic
- paxys 3y agoA bigger question is – does it support mouse input? Because none of their demos showed it, and without it the headset is basically dead on arrival for any real work.
- anamexis 3y agoI don't think that's self-evident. If the eye tracking is really good, it could obviate the need for a mouse.
- beebeepka 3y agoWhy would it obviate the need for a mouse? I can focus on something and expect my cursor elsewhere. Especially in games
- anamexis 3y agoBecause any time you're doing fine-grained work with your cursor, you're looking at it. I'm not talking about games.
- jnwatson 3y ago5 minutes with an existing eye tracker will show that this is completely infeasible. Your eyes move too much for it to work. Perhaps you could use it to bring windows forward.
- rad_gruchalski 3y ago> That really is the $3,500 question. For me the question rather is: is being able to work from the sofa a couple of hours a day without having to stare at a small screen worth $3.5k? Certainly.
- randyrand 3y agoMaybe I am in the minority, but I have no problem using my laptop on the couch for a few hours. It's quite comfortable.
- rad_gruchalski 3y agoYes, mostly. But sometimes not. Sometimes I wish I could have those 32 inches on the vesa while still sitting on the sofa.
- rabuse 3y agoI'm with you on this. I see these as a wonderful option for being productive just about anywhere, if the experience is actually what was demoed.
- practice9 3y agoAnd for me spending more than 2 hours per day with laptop on the sofa is a recipe for neck pain and migraines. The angle is just not right. If the headset is more ergonomic for this situation, it will find its target audience for sure. The battery is designed for 2 hours sessions, but the device can run indefinitely while on charger
- josephg 3y agoYeah I’m approaching 40, and if I spend more than 30 minutes or so with a laptop on the couch I get crippling shoulder pain at night while I’m in bed. So this sounds like a lovely way to avoid that problem but - even with a headset strapped to your face, what do you think you’ll be using as input devices? I’ll still want a trackpad and keyboard in my hands. (Waving your arms around all day isn’t fun). And if I have to balance a keyboard on my lap anyway, aside from a bigger virtual screen, what’s the point?
- rtkwe 3y agoIt really depends on how the fake screens actually look in use. You need a decent multiple of the number of pixels in the screen you want to emulate on your AR glasses to be able to pull it off well and so far we haven't really gotten it. I do not see myself getting these till they're a third or less the price either unless they're issued to me for work for some reason.
- acomjean 3y agoAnytime its on your face, you could be working. Front and center, your work. anytime, anywhere. depending on how its implemented you can't get away. Hope they include a power button. But 2 hours of battery life is a good amount of work, though it seems short somehow. Nice to know there is a limit on it taking over your time.
- cesarvarela 3y agoI think that price tag is not for end consumers, but early adopters/builders. There is going to be a gold rush of "maybe I can make that flashlight app that makes me a millionaire". Fun times incoming.
- yowzadave 3y ago> maybe I can make that flashlight app I wonder if you could make a literal flashlight/headlamp, either by using the front-facing display as a light, or just leveraging the infrared/lidar sensor to make night-vision goggles
- olyjohn 3y agoGreat. A bunch of VR shit apps just like the regular app store.
- wnolens 3y agoThese days I've moved over to pomodoro technique to be able to get any work done in the face of WFH distractions and general indifference to my work. So strapping on immersive goggles for 30m-1h chunks and taking lots of breaks actually fits my current work model perfectly and might improve my productivity. It all comes down to.. how clear is text?
- ignoramous 3y agoExactly. You know it is worth it when corp pays for the gadgets ;) I mean, how terribly over-priced is the Mac, and yet...
- dathinab 3y agoWhy? Because if well done I get my reasonable high multi monitor like setup everywhere I want, no matter weather I'm sitting or lying or on the train or at home. Fun thing is if you just skim the article it looks as if they copied https://simulavr.com/ https://simulavr.com/ :=) (They didn't this was developed independent of each other and Apple put some tweaks in it which they claim no one else did and gave it a new name and claim they are the first, like always.)